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Old 11-02-2006, 13:36   #1
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Consumer receiver availability

In response to this commentary:
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/featu...int060202.html

and in particular the comment:

"delays in introducing affordable user-friendly receivers are proving to be a major problem, and it's by no means certain that DRM will ever realise its full potential, as in the meantime international broadcasters are dropping significant amounts of short-wave output."

Siriol Evans from the DRM press office has replied at:
http://medianetwork.blogspot.com/
scroll to entries on Friday February 10th.

A further press release from the DRM Consortium on the Le-Radio exhibition starting tomorrow is in DX Listening Digest 6-028 under Conventions and Conferences at:
http://www.w4uvh.net/dxlatest.txt
which will be moved to
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxld6028.txt
when the next issue is published.

Note this on the Roberts radios which will be demonstrated:

Interested consumers will be able to order DRM-capable radios online
in the coming months. Consumers are advised to stay tuned to
http://www.drm.org as well as DRM`s national Web sites including
http://www.drmfrance.com for product availability bulletins and
ordering information.

I maintain you need radios in the shops and regarding Andy Sennitt's comments here's some quotes from my folder of DRM press releases etc:

DRM receivers are expected to be available in shops in 2004. (DRM press release 15.9.2003)

RTL intends to make sure there are two million DRM receivers in Europe by 2007. "This is going to happen," he said. Sony will be producing receivers with both DAB and DRM capability. (Michel Penneroux, DRM Commercial Committee, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group minutes)

"Cheap DRM receivers will be out by Christmas" (Adil Mina, Continental Electronics, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group meeting)

One million DRM receivers are expected to be in the marketplace by 2006.(Peter Senger, US DRM meeting, November 8-12 2004)

DRM capable consumer products are heading for the shops for Christmas 2005. (Peter Senger quoted in DRM press release, 4th September 2005)

The same problem with lack of availability of affordable receivers affected DAB when it first came in and are affecting IBOC. Broadcasters won't make major investments in DRM without them.

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Old 12-02-2006, 01:07   #2
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Thanks a lot for the info and links MIke. I read your comment on the media network blog..chicken and egg situation
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Old 17-02-2006, 11:24   #3
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Read this message from Sangean Europe received this mornings:

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Anke Markusse [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@sangean.nl]
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 februari 2006 11:54
Aan: j.arends@sangean.nl
Onderwerp: FW: Formulier Website Sangean.nl

Our DRM radio will be available autumn 2006. At the moment we are waiting
for the module RS-5500 from radioscape.As soon as new developments are
coming up we will let you know by email.


Sangean Europe bv
Ankerkade 20
5928 PL Venlo
The Netherlands

Tel +31-77-382 9344
Fax +31-77-387 5357
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Old 17-02-2006, 16:10   #4
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Read this message from Sangean Europe received this mornings:

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Anke Markusse [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@sangean.nl]
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 februari 2006 11:54
Aan: j.arends@sangean.nl
Onderwerp: FW: Formulier Website Sangean.nl

Our DRM radio will be available autumn 2006. At the moment we are waiting
for the module RS-5500 from radioscape.As soon as new developments are
coming up we will let you know by email.


Sangean Europe bv
Ankerkade 20
5928 PL Venlo
The Netherlands

Tel +31-77-382 9344
Fax +31-77-387 5357

Funny the module has been available since Autumn 2005 !
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Old 21-02-2006, 09:54   #5
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Helllo, here his the email received from Roberts Radio about DRM receiver issue date:

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From: information@robertsradio.co.uk
To: Andrea Borgnino IW0HK
Date: Feb 21, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: DRM Radio

Dear Mr Borgnino,

Thank you for your e-mail

It is expected to be April time and information will appear on our website prior which is www.robertsradio.co.uk

Regards
Susan Shaw
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Old 22-02-2006, 18:23   #6
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DRM receivers are like nuclear fusion :-)

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Funny the module has been available since Autumn 2005 !

DRM receivers are just like nuclear fusion. Since already 30 years the nuclear fusion will work in about 50 years, that means in 1970 it should work in 2020, in 1990 about 2040 and now in 50 years too. DRM receivers have always been available in about a half year in the future since the first announcements.

That's the end of it.

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Old 22-02-2006, 23:00   #7
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DRM receivers have always been available in about a half year in the future since the first announcements.

That's the end of it.

But there is a difference to nuclear fusion reactors: No one has already seen such a reactor, DRM receivers however could be looked at, listened to, smelled, touched, tuned and photographed at IFA in Berlin!

Has anyone else noticed that the module designation in iw0hk's post in this thread was RS-5500, not RS-500, ie a new and more recent version of the module or just a typo by someone?

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Old 21-03-2006, 00:10   #8
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Roberts tell me now no DRM radios until the Summer (previoulsy April) Of course by then we will have at least half-a-dozen MW tests in the UK....yes ok I know... dream on !
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Old 22-03-2006, 20:40   #9
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Roberts tell me now no DRM radios until the Summer (previoulsy April) Of course by then we will have at least half-a-dozen MW tests in the UK....yes ok I know... dream on !

Ah, the goal post has been moved again, not going to be too negative on this as I expected this, even RTL people seem very concerned at all the delays.
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Old 28-03-2006, 14:05   #10
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Ah, the goal post has been moved again, not going to be too negative on this as I expected this, even RTL people seem very concerned at all the delays.

Then in Auguest the'll say December and that's another year gone by waiting

It's the internet radio streams which are killing it. When you can get 1000's of mostly good quality (stereo) stations via the net plus soon to be city / country wide wireless DRM is effectivly dead. I hope not but in this internet everywhere world now it's not helping
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Old 28-03-2006, 17:36   #11
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It's the internet radio streams which are killing it. When you can get 1000's of mostly good quality (stereo) stations via the net plus soon to be city / country wide wireless DRM is effectivly dead. I hope not but in this internet everywhere world now it's not helping

...internet in the car??? WLAN???
You better forget it. Try DRM, it works !!!
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening!
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Old 28-03-2006, 19:23   #12
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...internet in the car??? WLAN???
You better forget it. Try DRM, it works !!!
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening!

True but ask yourself why they are discouraged ? In fact they are totally uninterested. Yes internet in the car will soon be a reality thanks to city wireless access like in London and Bristol and 8 other locations in the UK very soon. I'm sure Germany and many other countries have or will have just the same deal...

Car radios which wirelessly link to the net I'm sure will be on the market soon...
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Old 29-03-2006, 10:41   #13
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The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening!

If the competitors were really interested, they would take their chance since there is now a delay in the current prototype-to-market process of receivers based on the Radioscape module. But nothing...

It's also a shame what happened a few years ago: There was once a heavily funded EU-project which had the (published) goal of producing a DRM chip. A few companies absorbed the money and nothing emerged, not even a downloadable report can be found. It's the european tax payer's money - our money - that was burnt!

Update: You can read more about this 30 million EUR (!) project named "DIAM Eureka" in this pdf file.
There was also another 4 million EUR (!) project funded by the German Ministry of Education and Research which went under the name "Radiomondo", no chips have emerged from this one as well.
What a waste of money!

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Its Ground Hog Day! with the announcement of a new DRM receiver in India I thought I'd review the products we've been hoping or waiting for during the decade

So I found the appropriate thread starting with the original post which seems every bit up to date with the current scene, other than a few models which have come and gone in the meantime. Here is an update to fill in the gaps:


Newstar DR111 - Mirics Msi002 chip
Newstar W608 board - Mirics Msi001 based
Uniwave - Mirics Msi001 based - discontinued
MsWay DR100 - PNP chipset PN3034? - projects terminated 3/2012
MsWay USB stick - DRM+ / FM only
Kenwood KDC-W7563U DRM - prototype only
Sarapulsky RP 229 DRM - Radioscape 500 module - projects terminated 2012
Sarapulsky portable
Starwaves truckbox - Radioscape module
Technisat - Radioscape module
Mayah 2010 - Radioscape module, last date Q4/2003
Morphy Richards / Roberts - Radioscape module

This is not meant to be critical comment on any of the manufacturers, who were for many reasons unable to get a product to completion in the market on a sustainable basis. I thank them for trying. It kept me busy with my test transmitter for a while, in the hope that I'd be able to buy a DRM car radio - had to settle for one with a digital front end - that does Shortwave.

Ralph


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Originally Posted by MikeB
In response to this commentary:
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/featu...int060202.html

and in particular the comment:

"delays in introducing affordable user-friendly receivers are proving to be a major problem, and it's by no means certain that DRM will ever realise its full potential, as in the meantime international broadcasters are dropping significant amounts of short-wave output."

Siriol Evans from the DRM press office has replied at:
http://medianetwork.blogspot.com/
scroll to entries on Friday February 10th.

A further press release from the DRM Consortium on the Le-Radio exhibition starting tomorrow is in DX Listening Digest 6-028 under Conventions and Conferences at:
http://www.w4uvh.net/dxlatest.txt
which will be moved to
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxld6028.txt
when the next issue is published.

Note this on the Roberts radios which will be demonstrated:

Interested consumers will be able to order DRM-capable radios online
in the coming months. Consumers are advised to stay tuned to
http://www.drm.org as well as DRM`s national Web sites including
http://www.drmfrance.com for product availability bulletins and
ordering information.

I maintain you need radios in the shops and regarding Andy Sennitt's comments here's some quotes from my folder of DRM press releases etc:

DRM receivers are expected to be available in shops in 2004. (DRM press release 15.9.2003)

RTL intends to make sure there are two million DRM receivers in Europe by 2007. "This is going to happen," he said. Sony will be producing receivers with both DAB and DRM capability. (Michel Penneroux, DRM Commercial Committee, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group minutes)

"Cheap DRM receivers will be out by Christmas" (Adil Mina, Continental Electronics, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group meeting)

One million DRM receivers are expected to be in the marketplace by 2006.(Peter Senger, US DRM meeting, November 8-12 2004)

DRM capable consumer products are heading for the shops for Christmas 2005. (Peter Senger quoted in DRM press release, 4th September 2005)

The same problem with lack of availability of affordable receivers affected DAB when it first came in and are affecting IBOC. Broadcasters won't make major investments in DRM without them.

Mike
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Old 14-09-2014, 09:09   #15
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Hi Ralph, thanks for the comprehensive list of DRM receivers, many of which I have never heard of before!

There is a picture of the new receiver on Alokesh Gupta Radioactivity web page.
http://alokeshgupta.blogspot.co.uk/
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