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Andreas 16-03-2006 10:55

Oh yes indeed. I am far beyond the time. NEXT year it will be from 15. to 21.03.2007, Preliminary information is available here:http://www.cebit.com


("Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" :( )

DRM-Fan 20-03-2006 23:10

Roberts tell me now no DRM radios until the Summer (previoulsy April) Of course by then we will have at least half-a-dozen MW tests in the UK....yes ok I know... dream on !

radiomann 22-03-2006 19:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM-Fan
Roberts tell me now no DRM radios until the Summer (previoulsy April) Of course by then we will have at least half-a-dozen MW tests in the UK....yes ok I know... dream on !


Ah, the goal post has been moved again, not going to be too negative on this as I expected this, even RTL people seem very concerned at all the delays.

DRM-Fan 28-03-2006 13:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by radiomann
Ah, the goal post has been moved again, not going to be too negative on this as I expected this, even RTL people seem very concerned at all the delays.


Then in Auguest the'll say December and that's another year gone by waiting :mad:

It's the internet radio streams which are killing it. When you can get 1000's of mostly good quality (stereo) stations via the net plus soon to be city / country wide wireless DRM is effectivly dead. I hope not but in this internet everywhere world now it's not helping

FritzWue 28-03-2006 16:36

MOBILE RECEPTION
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM-Fan
It's the internet radio streams which are killing it. When you can get 1000's of mostly good quality (stereo) stations via the net plus soon to be city / country wide wireless DRM is effectivly dead. I hope not but in this internet everywhere world now it's not helping


...internet in the car??? :rolleyes: WLAN??? :p
You better forget it. Try DRM, it works !!! :cool:
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening! :mad:

DRM-Fan 28-03-2006 18:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by FritzWue
...internet in the car??? :rolleyes: WLAN??? :p
You better forget it. Try DRM, it works !!! :cool:
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening! :mad:


True but ask yourself why they are discouraged ? In fact they are totally uninterested. Yes internet in the car will soon be a reality thanks to city wireless access like in London and Bristol and 8 other locations in the UK very soon. I'm sure Germany and many other countries have or will have just the same deal...

Car radios which wirelessly link to the net I'm sure will be on the market soon...

dk8cb 29-03-2006 09:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by FritzWue
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening! :mad:


If the competitors were really interested, they would take their chance since there is now a delay in the current prototype-to-market process of receivers based on the Radioscape module. But nothing...

It's also a shame what happened a few years ago: There was once a heavily funded EU-project which had the (published) goal of producing a DRM chip. A few companies absorbed the money and nothing emerged, not even a downloadable report can be found. It's the european tax payer's money - our money :( - that was burnt!

Update: You can read more about this 30 million EUR (!) project named "DIAM Eureka" in this pdf file.
There was also another 4 million EUR (!) project funded by the German Ministry of Education and Research which went under the name "Radiomondo", no chips have emerged from this one as well.
What a waste of money!

Roland

FritzWue 03-04-2006 12:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRM-Fan
Car radios which wirelessly link to the net I'm sure will be on the market soon...


...but they will be pretty useless for a long time when driving from town A to town B with 100km of nothing in between.

Just got mail from http://www.robertsradio.co.uk/ today answering my question when we will see DRM receivers from them. Quote:

"We are in the testing stage and anticipate early to mid summer before release."

DRM-Fan 03-04-2006 21:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by FritzWue
...but they will be pretty useless for a long time when driving from town A to town B with 100km of nothing in between.

Just got mail from http://www.robertsradio.co.uk/ today answering my question when we will see DRM receivers from them. Quote:

"We are in the testing stage and anticipate early to mid summer before release."


Ah but what year ? :D

What on earth do they still have left to test ?!

DRM-OM 11-04-2006 11:57

Another project ...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dk8cb
Update: You can read more about this 30 million EUR (!) project named "DIAM Eureka" in this pdf file.
There was also another 4 million EUR (!) project funded by the German Ministry of Education and Research which went under the name "Radiomondo", no chips have emerged from this one as well.
What a waste of money!


This is still running:
http://www.smart-chips.net/

At least there are some papers:
Partitioning of a DRM Receiver
Complexity analysis for mapping a DRM receiver on a heterogeneous tiled architecture

dk8cb 12-04-2006 08:44


When reading these papers one does not get the impression that, so far, there is anything near a DRM-capable chip using such an architecture. Not in the next three years, if you ask me!

Roland

DRM-OM 12-04-2006 12:28

This looks more promising...
 
Philips car DSP chips
More infos (dated Sept. 2005) in this press release.

Validation is going on, production chips may be expected within 3month.

If you want to write your own software, this is what you might want to use...

Problem is that after design there is lot of paper work to comply with all that regulations of safety, EMC, "Produkthaftung", environmental legislation (amount of lead in the chips and solder is only one example) and different specifications of different car manufacturers to get a thing into a car.

Next problem is that not any of todays cars has an antenna system that is capable of SW above 6.5MHz, if at all.

Third: not any of today's cars allows satisfactory shortwave reception above 6.5MHz because of massive interference of all those electronic stuff communicating back and forth through the car.

Generally: DRM will more than double the price of the tuner part of a radio, and to show the advantage to the customer (car manufacturer e. g.) you need something more than 3.5kHz or 5kHz audio as presented by Deutsche Welle for most of the day...

Some more thoughts on the complexity of car radios (and customer requirements / in German).
Quote:

Speziell den weltweit agierenden Automobil-Herstellern ist daran gelegen, mit möglichst geringem Aufwand alle existierenden Radio-Standards zu unterstützen. Dementsprechend müssen die Chipsätze der Halbleiter-Hersteller und die Radio-Plattformen der Zulieferer universell, modular und zukunftssicher aufgebaut sein.

mitajohn 12-04-2006 18:14

It’s All About DRM at NAB 2006
 
1 Attachment(s)
Hi all,

I received the attached e-mail, may be is interesting.

John.

EDIT:13_04_06, Now it can be seen there: http://www.drm.org/pdfs/press_release_122.pdf

Aetheradio 14-09-2014 00:04

Its Ground Hog Day! with the announcement of a new DRM receiver in India I thought I'd review the products we've been hoping or waiting for during the decade

So I found the appropriate thread starting with the original post which seems every bit up to date with the current scene, other than a few models which have come and gone in the meantime. Here is an update to fill in the gaps:


Newstar DR111 - Mirics Msi002 chip
Newstar W608 board - Mirics Msi001 based
Uniwave - Mirics Msi001 based - discontinued
MsWay DR100 - PNP chipset PN3034? - projects terminated 3/2012
MsWay USB stick - DRM+ / FM only
Kenwood KDC-W7563U DRM - prototype only
Sarapulsky RP 229 DRM - Radioscape 500 module - projects terminated 2012
Sarapulsky portable
Starwaves truckbox - Radioscape module
Technisat - Radioscape module
Mayah 2010 - Radioscape module, last date Q4/2003
Morphy Richards / Roberts - Radioscape module

This is not meant to be critical comment on any of the manufacturers, who were for many reasons unable to get a product to completion in the market on a sustainable basis. I thank them for trying. It kept me busy with my test transmitter for a while, in the hope that I'd be able to buy a DRM car radio - had to settle for one with a digital front end - that does Shortwave.

Ralph


Quote:

Originally Posted by MikeB
In response to this commentary:
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/featu...int060202.html

and in particular the comment:

"delays in introducing affordable user-friendly receivers are proving to be a major problem, and it's by no means certain that DRM will ever realise its full potential, as in the meantime international broadcasters are dropping significant amounts of short-wave output."

Siriol Evans from the DRM press office has replied at:
http://medianetwork.blogspot.com/
scroll to entries on Friday February 10th.

A further press release from the DRM Consortium on the Le-Radio exhibition starting tomorrow is in DX Listening Digest 6-028 under Conventions and Conferences at:
http://www.w4uvh.net/dxlatest.txt
which will be moved to
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxld6028.txt
when the next issue is published.

Note this on the Roberts radios which will be demonstrated:

Interested consumers will be able to order DRM-capable radios online
in the coming months. Consumers are advised to stay tuned to
http://www.drm.org as well as DRM`s national Web sites including
http://www.drmfrance.com for product availability bulletins and
ordering information.

I maintain you need radios in the shops and regarding Andy Sennitt's comments here's some quotes from my folder of DRM press releases etc:

DRM receivers are expected to be available in shops in 2004. (DRM press release 15.9.2003)

RTL intends to make sure there are two million DRM receivers in Europe by 2007. "This is going to happen," he said. Sony will be producing receivers with both DAB and DRM capability. (Michel Penneroux, DRM Commercial Committee, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group minutes)

"Cheap DRM receivers will be out by Christmas" (Adil Mina, Continental Electronics, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group meeting)

One million DRM receivers are expected to be in the marketplace by 2006.(Peter Senger, US DRM meeting, November 8-12 2004)

DRM capable consumer products are heading for the shops for Christmas 2005. (Peter Senger quoted in DRM press release, 4th September 2005)

The same problem with lack of availability of affordable receivers affected DAB when it first came in and are affecting IBOC. Broadcasters won't make major investments in DRM without them.

Mike


G0SVN 14-09-2014 08:09

Avion AV-DR-1401
 
Hi Ralph, thanks for the comprehensive list of DRM receivers, many of which I have never heard of before!

There is a picture of the new receiver on Alokesh Gupta Radioactivity web page.
http://alokeshgupta.blogspot.co.uk/


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