Bouquet Flevo NL on 7240 kHz

[lmaes]

The new frequency from Flevo is performing much better here in Belgium than the previous 9815 kHz.

Reception is not yet 100% but I assume some smaller modifications are possible.

We are really pleased with this new choice of frequency, because it should be an improvement for the TDPradio broadcast on Saturdays!

Ludo

[lmaes]

Also in the second hour, reception is quite reliable.

Ludo

[lmaes]

During the third hour, reception is still quite acceptable, but not perfect yet with 88% decoded audio.

Ludo

[lmaes]

In the fourth hour, there are more dropouts then in previous hours, but overall still much better than the old 9815 kHz.

By the way, the announcement of the language in the text message was wrong, stating German instead of English in the last half hour.

Ludo

[lmaes]

The reception quality of the fifth hour was again less than the previous hour for the programming of RCI and Radio Netherlands. Only 66% correctly decoded audio.

Ludo

[lmaes]

During the last quarter (from 1500-1515 UTC) the signal further decreased in strength for the German program of Vatican Radio.

Ludo

[carknue]

Hi all,

the new frequency makes reception of the Flevo DRM Bouquet possible in Frankfurt. Quite good reception and good sound quality.

[simone]

Hi all,
about 90% decoded audio during the 5th hour, as always lower audio levels than any other station, see attachment
@Ludo: It was not RCI programming (I was not home but I just listened to my recording) as it had been announced but again CBC :( , I hope this was just a mistake today or they could not make the changes in time and we will hear RCI in the future on this transmission.
73, Simone

[lmaes]

Originally posted by simone
@Ludo: It was not RCI programming (I was not home but I just listened to my recording) as it had been announced but again CBC :( , I hope this was just a mistake today or they could not make the changes in time and we will hear RCI in the future on this transmission.
73, Simone

Hi Simone,

It was indeed CBC (the announcement in the beginning mentioned CBC), but we did not make the distinction between CBC and RCI, they are in the same house, so to say.

Ludo

[radiol]

The new frequency from Flevo is not as good as 9815 kHz here in Poland.
At least today (it is my first reception on the new frequency).
Today from 13:55 till 14:55UTC, audio was 91% whilst it was usually 100% for 9815 kHz.

[simone]

Hi all,
quite good when I started, but later a weaker signal and an AM interference from the adjacent channel below, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
bad results today, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
better results than yesterday, dropouts caused by interference from the adjacent channel below, see attachment
Progam is still from CBC but text message reads: You are listening to Radio Canada International in English, (www.rcinet.ca)
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
quite good results in the afternoon with 99% correctly decoded audio during RCI/CBC´s broadcast, see attachment
73, Simone

[carknue]

For 3 hours perfect reception. Only my local noise caused one long dropout.

[simone]

Hi all,
perfect results like Carsten but only until the start of RCI/ CBC´s broadcast :(, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
quite good for 20 min today, see attachment
73, Simone

[df8uo]

Log over 4 hours. 93% Audio. Quite good reception in SW Germany.

Daniel

[carknue]

Log over 5 hours with 98.1 percent audio. I'm not quite sure what these regular deep dropouts caused, because It was an automatically log. I guess that it was my strong local noise. Quite otfen today:-(

[radiol]

Hi all,
Good reception conditions today. 99.9% audio.

[simone]

Hi all,
results were not as good as earlier today on this frequency.
Glad they managed to get RCI´s great programs (today it was the science and technology program) on :)!
73, Simone

[midre]

Hi DRMs,

here are a 90 minutes logfile from Flevo on 7240 kHz.

regards, Michael

[simone]

Hi all,
audio decoding was not perfect, but no problem for listening to RCI.
73, Simone

[dk8cb]

Hi,

here is a comparison report using the penultimate and the ultimate CVS-version of Dream with "Mod. Metric" activated on the latter.

This feature is supposed to improve decoding in the presence of interference.

Quite a good result with slightly better percentage of properly decoded audio with "Mod. Metric" activated.

The SNR plots are exactly above each other, so only one can be seen.

Roland

[FritzWue]

Good signal today:

[simone]

Hi all,
only a few dropouts today, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
reception on this frequency was great until 1300, but as often some problems after 1400,see attachment
Today with increased bitrate (20.06 kb/s) and UEP (coderates 0.5/0.6)
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
excellent results until 1300, later good for testing UEP, see attachment
73, Simone

[dk8cb]

Hi,

here is a short report.

Roland

[simone]

Hi all,
during the dropouts on RCI´s broadcst the effect of UEP could be noticed a coluple of times, sounded similar to the examples which I already mentioned in General Topics the past days.
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
bad results due to a weak signal and interferences, see attachment
73, Simone

[FritzWue]

At the dutch border I'm too close and there was adjacent channel interference. I tuned 0.5kHz to the side to attenuate the carrier, helped a little.

[df8uo]

Weak signal plus fading today. No fun listening to B Flevo ;-(
Daniel

[simone]

Hi all,
quite a difference in audio decoding between DRMSWR and DReaM, see comparison attached
73, Simone

[df8uo]

Find attached my unattended log for Bouqet Flevo (Weather is too sunny to stay inside ;-) . Good SNR till 13h00. Than lot of dropouts.
73
Daniel

[carknue]

Here is my log. Very good reception.

[df8uo]

Lot of droputs this afternoon
73
Daniel

[simone]

Hi all,
several dropouts during RCI´s broadcast, UEP settings have been changed, now using 10% :confused: , see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
some dropouts again today, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
either perfect or really bad at times, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
some dropouts this afternoon, not too bad overall, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
good results and improved audioquality with the changed UEP settings, see attachment
73, Simone

edit: corrected CR in the attachment :)

[JanPeterW]

Hi Simone, all,

Thanks for this comment. Good to hear that this new UEP settings don't seem to make things worse although I also wonder if the spring conditions have an effect on the target area.

BTW: The coderate is even 0.78 instead of 0.71

73!
Jan Peter

[simone]

Hi all,
the new settings worked quite well this afternoon, pretty good results, see attachment
In the morning propagation conditions were too bad to get good audio decoding, hope that will improve in the summer.
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
good results for about 3 hours today, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
only a short period with audio decoding this afternoon, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
no problem for listening to RCI´s broadcast with both software decoders this afternoon, see attachment
73, Simone

[dk8cb]

A little shaky due to the high bitrate. Dream's MSC indicator was blinking in yellow from time to time, but audio was not audibly interrupted.

Roland

[simone]

Hi all,
surprisingly good reception whenever I tuned in today, see 160 min report attached
73, Simone

[df8uo]

Flevo 8h00-12h00

Hi all,

quite weak signal here from Flevo (S5-S9) with fading. No fun listening to Flevo this morning.

73

Daniel

[carknue]

They should use the 49m band in sommer.

[simone]

Hi Carsten,
I think we have to accept that we are not in the main target area with this configuration. But the UEP settings they are currently using are quite interesting, allowing good listening with a high bitrate at a relatively low SNR (whenever we get a signal ;))
73, Simone

[df8uo]

Quite good result from Flevo from 11h00 to 12h00
73, Daniel

[mitajohn]

Hi all,

First attempt receiving this Tx, quite weak signal here and slow fading. No listening this rainy morning.

John

[dk8cb]

Not bad with a bit of fading.

Roland

[dk8cb]

Hi,

today, the signal from Flevo was stronger than the one from Rampisham.

Good reception. Dream's MSC CRC indicator flickered yellow occasionally but there were no audible effects from that.

Roland

[dk8cb]

Again a strong signal from Flevo. Bitrate is a bit too high for my setup, I guess a somewhat lower bitrate would yield a better result.
Flevo's audio level is still not up to that of others.

Roland

[simone]

Hi all,
quite good conditions from Flevo during RCI´s broadcast today, see attachment showing comparison of two versions of Dream (using different versions of the FAAD2 library)
73, Simone

[carknue]

Here are my results with a comparision between Dream and DRMSWR.

[simone]

Hi all,
good conditions today until 1345 (btw not using the latest FAAD2), see attachment
73, Simone

[mitajohn]

Hi all,

Here is the report on 7240. No decoding...

John

[mitajohn]

Hi,

Very disappointing results and also very annoying gargle sound. Perhaps a lower bitrate would be better. Look at the log.

John

[simone]

Hi all,
perfect results, high SNR using the DWT (and old FAAD2 but only very few effects from UEP), good audioquality with the current configuration, unfortunately the frequency does not always work in my area :(
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
good results again today, see attachment
73, Simone

[dk8cb]

Hi,

here, absolutely no signal can be received today on the scheduled transmission starting at 09:00 UTC.

Is the schedule wrong?
Is the dead zone that large?
Is there a technical problem?

Roland

[JanPeterW]

Hi Roland,

Yes you're right. There was no transmission until about 1040 UTC but I have to figure out what has happened.

73!
Jan Peter

[dk8cb]

Hi,

not a bad result considering the high bitrate and the SNR limit of my receiver.

Roland

[simone]

Hi all,
strong signal again this morning, good results using the DWT, no problem with the high bitrate and only very few effects from UEP, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
seems we are just not allowed to listen to RCI´s broadcast, no audio decoding at all during this period :(
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
no problem to listen to RCI today in SouthEastern Switzerland using the Sony SW 7600GR/telescopic antenna (98% correctly decoded audio)
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
good results for about an hour this morning, see attachment
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
some periods with high SNR using the DWT as always, but never really reliable in my location, see attachment
73, Simone

[Andreas]

Hi all,

bad things can happen, when you are too near to the border of the dead zone! Fair reception in the morning, coming to an abrupt end in the afternoon - see attached


73, Andreas

[Digger]

Hi all,

Squeezed in a report over about 1,5 hours on Flevo this afternoon, just to see the different result when the signals were so bad - really...

Enclosed the results.

73
Terje

[simone]

Hi all,
quite good results today, also audio levels have improved
73, Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
good signal but some dropouts today (without UEP decoder), listening with FhG SWR was better than the graph looks.
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
strong and stable signal today, great results (using UEP version) see attachment
Simone

[df8uo]

Hi all,
strong and stable signal from Flevo
73, Daniel

[simone]

Hi all,
quite good again today, see attachment
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
this configuration with the high bitrate and using UEP is the most interesting for testing the different decoders, slightly better results with DReaM but better for listening using the FhG decoder.
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
strong signal at the beginning of the log, but as often signal got weaker with the start of RCI´s broadcast, see attachment
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
not bad today, results with a version of DReaM lthat supports UEP look much better than those from DRMSWR, but for listening the FhG decoder is better, see comparison attached
Simone

[carknue]

Audio graph from FhG Radio looks terrible, but listening was moslty good with help of UEP. But there was a lot of noise and hiss in the background.

[simone]

Hi all,
quite good in the first hour, a weaker signal from 1400- 1500, as always on UEP transmission the graph looks worse than it sounds when listening
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
here are prediction plots for the coverage area later in the morning (http://www.stoepplernet.de/drm/rnw/7240_1100UTC.jpg) and in the afternoon (http://www.stoepplernet.de/drm/rnw/7240_1600UTC.jpg)
Thanks again to Jan Peter for providing the plots.
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
only a weak signal today, but good decoding with the changed configuration, also not using UEP anymore.
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
strong signal this morning most of the time
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
quite good again today until1430, see attachment
Simone

[mitajohn]

Hi all,

Hopeless quest, two strong interfering carriers to both edges of DRM spectrum. See attachment.

John.

[JanPeterW]

Hi John

Thanks for this report.

Interesting to see that the adjacent channel station is so strong in Greece. For a more realistic prediction of the DRM coverage I need to include this AM-station within the calculations to get an S/I plot.

Regards
Jan Peter

[mitajohn]

Hi all,

Actually there are three (?) interfering carriers.

@ Peter: On 7235 kHz until 15H00 is VOA at a level 5-15 dB over DRM, on 7245 kHz before and after 15H00 there are two carriers with Arabic (?) language at 0-10 dB level over DRM. I suspect that in the middle of DRM spectrum there is a third one hidden and sometimes it appears about 5 dB over DRM. All these make the reception really problematic, although the signal is quite strong.
See the attached file.

John.


PS:Now at 16H25 there is a carrier on 7245 kHz which is more than 20 dB over DRM.

[mitajohn]

Hi all,

PS:Now at 16H25 there is a carrier on 7245 kHz which is more than 20 dB over DRM.

Look at the attachment.

John.

[simone]

Hi all,
perfect decoding with the lower bitrate, see attachment
Simone

[mitajohn]

Hi all,

A good reception for almost 45 minutes, then the usual strong interference started.

John.

[Per]

Hi,

No good reception of this tranmission for Europe, at least not at my location.
Time: 09:40 - 10:40 UTC. Result CDA: 26 %.
Txt msg:"part of DRM Bouquet from Flevo (The Netherlands), 0800-1657UTC @ 7240kHz"

[simone]

Hi all,
no decoding from 1330, I wonder when we will be able to listen to RCI´s broadcasts in DRM again :(
Simone

[df8uo]

Hi all,
quite good signal from Flevo, however at 13.35h signal faded down for some minutes.
73, Daniel

[simone]

Hi all,
good audio decoding lasted longer today (until 1450) :), see attachment

[df8uo]

Hi all,
quite good till 15h00, then strong interference
73, Daniel

[simone]

Hi all,
quite good until 1400 using the DWT/ longwire, only a weak signal then, see attachment
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
propagation started at 0815 this morning, but also then a few periods with a very weak signal, see attachment
Simone

[simone]

... and here is an example how signal strength drops by 30dB sometimes (using DWT/ longwire)
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
some periods with a weak signal today, see attachment
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
a very unstable signal today, but I think I´m a bit at the edge of the coverage area, so no complaints!
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
quite good from 1245- 1415, but a weak signal for the rest of the time
Simone

[Mitsuru Ito]

stability is good but not so strong.
more few dB of SNR.
I willbe able todecod audio.

[simone]

Hi all,
some good periods yesterday, see attachment
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
more reliable results in the Swiss Alps than at home, strong signal and good results whenever I tuned in the past days
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
good results only in the first hour of my log
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
big variations in signal strength, see attachment
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
good results until 1425, then only a weak signal
Simone

[Mitsuru Ito]

Signal was very strong in Japan.
It was 10dB orver S 9.
But there was heavy signal near 3khz to 7khz down.
Only data disp.

[Telspace]

Hi to All,

Best reception on the 31m band from Europe.

Denis

[simone]

Hi all,
bad results today with a very unstable signal
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
again an unstable signal today :(
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
pretty good today, more stable than the past weeks/ months.
But the first 15min no audio just noise, see attachment
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
started very good in the first 20min of my log
Simone

[simone]

Hi all,
not really strong at the beginning, at 1120 signal disappeared completely, propagation or a Tx problem :confused:
Simone

[simone]

Long periods of pretty good reception today, but also moments with a weak signal.
Simone

[simone]

Excellent results for 3 hours this afternoon :)
Simone

[simone]

One hour with a weak signal, quite good for the rest of the time.
Simone

[simone]

Not too bad today.
Simone

[simone]

Very good in the first half.
Simone

[simone]

Nearly perfect for 2 hours this afternoon
Simone

[simone]

Much better than when I tried yesterday, lower SNR than usual.
Simone

[simone]

Great results today, still low SNR from the Tx.
Simone

[simone]

Strong and stable signal today.
Simone

[simone]

It seems the Tx problems have been solved, SNR has improved again.
Simone

[simone]

Started good, later signal was too weak.
Simone

[simone]

A weak signal at the beginning, then quite good results for about 2hours.
Simone

[simone]

Good results apart form 2 big dropouts when driving home from Leipzig.
Simone

[simone]

Quite good results in the last 2 hours after a weak period earlier today, SNR lower than it used to be.
Simone

[simone]

Quite good results this afternoon.
Simone

[simone]

Not bad this afternoon, even at times when signal strenght was lower.
Simone

[simone]

Quite good except the last minutes.
Simone

[simone]

Results of the past two days, today good reception lastet 3 min longer ;)
Simone

[simone]

No luck today :(
Simone

[simone]

A few minor dropouts today, but not too bad.
Simone

[simone]

No decoding possible today :(
Simone

[simone]

One of the few days with perfect reception of RCI´s broadcast :)
Simone

[simone]

Not reliable in my location, but not too bad in the last hour.
Simone

[Per]

Hi,

A lot of "ups and down". Time: 09:28 - 10:28 UTC.
Result: 62% CDA.

[simone]

Some good periods earlier today, no audio decoding during RCI´s broadcast this afternoon.
Simone

[simone]

Not too bad this moring, but not much during RCI´s broadcast this afternoon.
Simone

[mitajohn]

Hi all,

With a signal below 35 dBuV at the antenna input I got the attached good result. Check the similarity of SNR and CDA graphs.

[df9rb]

Hello,

perfect!. The TX seems to limit the SNR to 25 dB.

Bernd, DF9RB

[simone]

Only one hour with good results.
Simone

[Digger]

Two solid hours with good results. The log was unattended.

[simone]

Not bad in the last 25 minutes, but the 3 hours before :(
Simone

[dadalbinder]

Reliable result with this new receiver

Wolfgang Hartmann, 49N28, 11E00

[mitajohn]

Hi all,

Regarding the log in post #150.
How can be explained that max SNR=25.7 dB, average SNR=26.0 dB and the SNR rms error=0 ? Is it a DRMCalc calculation error ? Is it because a 3 mins only log ?

@Carsten what is your opinion ?

[Ant-SWL]

The signal from Flevo on this frequency here is always strong ,
between S 9+20 to 40db
Only Co-Channel AM-Station produce errors. :mad:

[simone]

As always not reliable here, but better than the past weeks when I hardly got any decoding.
Simone

[simone]

Not so bad today ;)
Simone

[simone]

Good results for about 3 hours today, problems with co-channel interferer form 1400 UTC.
Simone

[FritzWue]

Gelsenkirchen-Scholven-A31-Gescher
Usually my home location is within the dead zone of that station.

[simone]

Started quite good in the first hour of my log, later some dropouts during thunderstorms, co- channel AM interferer started at 1300 when I stopped the log.
Simone

[simone]

Pretty good until 1300, then a weaker signal and interference.
Simone

[simone]

Good results again today.
Simone

[simone]

Started quite good, but then bad results from 12:10.
Simone

[simone]

Some good periods, but not reliable in my location.
Simone

[FritzWue]

Here too close in the dead zone of the first hop with backscatter, weird pulse shape and delay.

[simone]

Bad results today.
Simone

[Ant-SWL]

Very good until 12:53 UTC, then co-channel AM-transmission started.

[simone]

Good results only in the first hour today.
Simone

[simone]

Great results today, also no problem listening to RCI with the Roberts MP40.
Simone