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MikeB
11-02-2006, 12:36
In response to this commentary:
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/features/media/int060202.html

and in particular the comment:

"delays in introducing affordable user-friendly receivers are proving to be a major problem, and it's by no means certain that DRM will ever realise its full potential, as in the meantime international broadcasters are dropping significant amounts of short-wave output."

Siriol Evans from the DRM press office has replied at:
http://medianetwork.blogspot.com/
scroll to entries on Friday February 10th.

A further press release from the DRM Consortium on the Le-Radio exhibition starting tomorrow is in DX Listening Digest 6-028 under Conventions and Conferences at:
http://www.w4uvh.net/dxlatest.txt
which will be moved to
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxld6028.txt
when the next issue is published.

Note this on the Roberts radios which will be demonstrated:

Interested consumers will be able to order DRM-capable radios online
in the coming months. Consumers are advised to stay tuned to
http://www.drm.org as well as DRM`s national Web sites including
http://www.drmfrance.com for product availability bulletins and
ordering information.

I maintain you need radios in the shops and regarding Andy Sennitt's comments here's some quotes from my folder of DRM press releases etc:

DRM receivers are expected to be available in shops in 2004. (DRM press release 15.9.2003)

RTL intends to make sure there are two million DRM receivers in Europe by 2007. "This is going to happen," he said. Sony will be producing receivers with both DAB and DRM capability. (Michel Penneroux, DRM Commercial Committee, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group minutes)

"Cheap DRM receivers will be out by Christmas" (Adil Mina, Continental Electronics, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group meeting)

One million DRM receivers are expected to be in the marketplace by 2006.(Peter Senger, US DRM meeting, November 8-12 2004)

DRM capable consumer products are heading for the shops for Christmas 2005. (Peter Senger quoted in DRM press release, 4th September 2005)

The same problem with lack of availability of affordable receivers affected DAB when it first came in and are affecting IBOC. Broadcasters won't make major investments in DRM without them.

Mike

DRM-Fan
12-02-2006, 00:07
Thanks a lot for the info and links MIke. I read your comment on the media network blog..chicken and egg situation

iw0hk
17-02-2006, 10:24
Read this message from Sangean Europe received this mornings:

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Anke Markusse [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@sangean.nl]
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 februari 2006 11:54
Aan: j.arends@sangean.nl
Onderwerp: FW: Formulier Website Sangean.nl

Our DRM radio will be available autumn 2006. At the moment we are waiting
for the module RS-5500 from radioscape.As soon as new developments are
coming up we will let you know by email.

Sangean Europe bv
Ankerkade 20
5928 PL Venlo
The Netherlands

Tel +31-77-382 9344
Fax +31-77-387 5357

DRM-Fan
17-02-2006, 15:10
Read this message from Sangean Europe received this mornings:

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Anke Markusse [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@sangean.nl]
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 februari 2006 11:54
Aan: j.arends@sangean.nl
Onderwerp: FW: Formulier Website Sangean.nl

Our DRM radio will be available autumn 2006. At the moment we are waiting
for the module RS-5500 from radioscape.As soon as new developments are
coming up we will let you know by email.

Sangean Europe bv
Ankerkade 20
5928 PL Venlo
The Netherlands

Tel +31-77-382 9344
Fax +31-77-387 5357

Funny the module has been available since Autumn 2005 !

iw0hk
21-02-2006, 08:54
Helllo, here his the email received from Roberts Radio about DRM receiver issue date:

--------------------------------------------------
From: information@robertsradio.co.uk <information@robertsradio.co.uk>
To: Andrea Borgnino IW0HK <XXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com>
Date: Feb 21, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: DRM Radio

Dear Mr Borgnino,

Thank you for your e-mail

It is expected to be April time and information will appear on our website prior which is www.robertsradio.co.uk

Regards
Susan Shaw

tacitus-ms
22-02-2006, 17:23
Funny the module has been available since Autumn 2005 !

DRM receivers are just like nuclear fusion. Since already 30 years the nuclear fusion will work in about 50 years, that means in 1970 it should work in 2020, in 1990 about 2040 and now in 50 years too. DRM receivers have always been available in about a half year in the future since the first announcements.

That's the end of it.

regards tacitus-ms

dk8cb
22-02-2006, 22:00
DRM receivers have always been available in about a half year in the future since the first announcements.

That's the end of it.


But there is a difference to nuclear fusion reactors: No one has already seen such a reactor, DRM receivers however could be looked at, listened to, smelled, touched, tuned and photographed at IFA in Berlin!

Has anyone else noticed that the module designation in iw0hk's post in this thread was RS-5500, not RS-500, ie a new and more recent version of the module or just a typo by someone?

Roland

richard
23-02-2006, 14:31
Think this must have been a mistake.

The RS500 module looks like it will just use a telescopic with an F connector, like for DAB. Hope they will also provide a proper facility to connect an internal ferrite aerial, especially for LW/MW given all the discussion about noise. Can see people being disapointed with the performance if this is not the case.

Richard

simone
28-02-2006, 16:06
Hi all,
from March 2006 the Starwaves W37 DRM-DAB-receiver is available, here some information from the starwaves website:

"Starwaves W37 is world’s first DRM-DAB-Receiver that you can order.
Since the call of DRM and WORLDDAB towards industry, to produce devices that combines both technologies this unit is the first in the world that takes this requirement."

Datasheets can be downloaded:

in German http://www.starwaves.com/W37DE.pdf

or English http://www.starwaves.com/W37EN.pdf

Simone

DRM-Fan
28-02-2006, 16:45
Hmm very high power consumption. What abut AMSS decoding ? Big size with a big price no doubt !

MikeB
28-02-2006, 17:30
Scroll to September 10th 2004 on this page:
http://www.radiointel.com/oldnews.htm
for details of their previous Starwaves Prelude, 50 protoypes, price 2003 Euros! No price quoted on their website for the new model and nothing found when I searched at the store they link to.

Andreas
11-03-2006, 14:20
Seems they have waited until the start of the CEBiT fair in Hannover.

When you follow the link given in the impressum of www.starwaves.com you will find the way to their dealer. Price is 1599,- €. :eek:

DRM-Fan
14-03-2006, 10:41
Seems they have waited until the start of the CEBiT fair in Hannover.

When you follow the link given in the impressum of www.starwaves.com you will find the way to their dealer. Price is 1599,- €. :eek:

Nothing found when you type drm in search anyway. Just a re-hash of the IBC with prototypes if so probably. Are you sure there's any DRM 'stuff' at Cebit ?

Andreas
15-03-2006, 19:24
Nothing found when you type drm in search anyway. Just a re-hash of the IBC with prototypes if so probably. Are you sure there's any DRM 'stuff' at Cebit ?

No, not really. I just seached the list of exhibitors of the Cebit fair which in fact starts tomorrow. No search results neither for "DRM" nor for "Starwaves".

Seems I was mislead by the fact there is a resarch project on local DRM broadcasts in the 11m Band going on in Hannover with test transmissions on 26045 kHz (which I can neither hear nor even "see" in Hamburg, at approx 150 km distance :( ). The manufacturer Starwaves is involved in the project. So I wonder why they do NOT exhibit anything ?!?

dk8cb
15-03-2006, 20:07
I just seached the list of exhibitors of the Cebit fair which in fact starts tomorrow.

In real fact, this year's Cebit already ended today.
:rolleyes:

Roland

Andreas
16-03-2006, 10:55
Oh yes indeed. I am far beyond the time. NEXT year it will be from 15. to 21.03.2007, Preliminary information is available here:http://www.cebit.com


("Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" :( )

DRM-Fan
20-03-2006, 23:10
Roberts tell me now no DRM radios until the Summer (previoulsy April) Of course by then we will have at least half-a-dozen MW tests in the UK....yes ok I know... dream on !

radiomann
22-03-2006, 19:40
Roberts tell me now no DRM radios until the Summer (previoulsy April) Of course by then we will have at least half-a-dozen MW tests in the UK....yes ok I know... dream on !

Ah, the goal post has been moved again, not going to be too negative on this as I expected this, even RTL people seem very concerned at all the delays.

DRM-Fan
28-03-2006, 13:05
Ah, the goal post has been moved again, not going to be too negative on this as I expected this, even RTL people seem very concerned at all the delays.

Then in Auguest the'll say December and that's another year gone by waiting :mad:

It's the internet radio streams which are killing it. When you can get 1000's of mostly good quality (stereo) stations via the net plus soon to be city / country wide wireless DRM is effectivly dead. I hope not but in this internet everywhere world now it's not helping

FritzWue
28-03-2006, 16:36
It's the internet radio streams which are killing it. When you can get 1000's of mostly good quality (stereo) stations via the net plus soon to be city / country wide wireless DRM is effectivly dead. I hope not but in this internet everywhere world now it's not helping

...internet in the car??? :rolleyes: WLAN??? :p
You better forget it. Try DRM, it works !!! :cool:
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening! :mad:

DRM-Fan
28-03-2006, 18:23
...internet in the car??? :rolleyes: WLAN??? :p
You better forget it. Try DRM, it works !!! :cool:
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening! :mad:

True but ask yourself why they are discouraged ? In fact they are totally uninterested. Yes internet in the car will soon be a reality thanks to city wireless access like in London and Bristol and 8 other locations in the UK very soon. I'm sure Germany and many other countries have or will have just the same deal...

Car radios which wirelessly link to the net I'm sure will be on the market soon...

dk8cb
29-03-2006, 09:41
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening! :mad:

If the competitors were really interested, they would take their chance since there is now a delay in the current prototype-to-market process of receivers based on the Radioscape module. But nothing...

It's also a shame what happened a few years ago: There was once a heavily funded EU-project which had the (published) goal of producing a DRM chip. A few companies absorbed the money and nothing emerged, not even a downloadable report can be found. It's the european tax payer's money - our money :( - that was burnt!

Update: You can read more about this 30 million EUR (!) project named "DIAM Eureka" in this pdf file (http://www.ebu.ch/trev_293-jackson.pdf).
There was also another 4 million EUR (!) project funded by the German Ministry of Education and Research which went under the name "Radiomondo", no chips have emerged from this one as well.
What a waste of money!

Roland

FritzWue
03-04-2006, 12:58
Car radios which wirelessly link to the net I'm sure will be on the market soon...

...but they will be pretty useless for a long time when driving from town A to town B with 100km of nothing in between.

Just got mail from http://www.robertsradio.co.uk/ today answering my question when we will see DRM receivers from them. Quote:

"We are in the testing stage and anticipate early to mid summer before release."

DRM-Fan
03-04-2006, 21:34
...but they will be pretty useless for a long time when driving from town A to town B with 100km of nothing in between.

Just got mail from http://www.robertsradio.co.uk/ today answering my question when we will see DRM receivers from them. Quote:

"We are in the testing stage and anticipate early to mid summer before release."

Ah but what year ? :D

What on earth do they still have left to test ?!

DRM-OM
11-04-2006, 11:57
Update: You can read more about this 30 million EUR (!) project named "DIAM Eureka" in this pdf file (http://www.ebu.ch/trev_293-jackson.pdf).
There was also another 4 million EUR (!) project funded by the German Ministry of Education and Research which went under the name "Radiomondo", no chips have emerged from this one as well.
What a waste of money!

This is still running:
http://www.smart-chips.net/

At least there are some papers:
Partitioning of a DRM Receiver (http://www.smart-chips.net/includes/download.php?table=Downloads&id=22)
Complexity analysis for mapping a DRM receiver on a heterogeneous tiled architecture (http://www.smart-chips.net/includes/download.php?table=Downloads&id=21)

dk8cb
12-04-2006, 08:44
At least there are some papers:
Partitioning of a DRM Receiver (http://www.smart-chips.net/includes/download.php?table=Downloads&id=22)
Complexity analysis for mapping a DRM receiver on a heterogeneous tiled architecture (http://www.smart-chips.net/includes/download.php?table=Downloads&id=21)

When reading these papers one does not get the impression that, so far, there is anything near a DRM-capable chip using such an architecture. Not in the next three years, if you ask me!

Roland

DRM-OM
12-04-2006, 12:28
Philips car DSP chips
More infos (dated Sept. 2005) in this press release. (http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/news/content/file_1182.html)

Validation is going on, production chips may be expected within 3month.

If you want to write your own software, this (http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/datasheets/PNX15XX_SER_N_3.pdf) is what you might want to use...

Problem is that after design there is lot of paper work to comply with all that regulations of safety, EMC, "Produkthaftung", environmental legislation (amount of lead in the chips and solder is only one example) and different specifications of different car manufacturers to get a thing into a car.

Next problem is that not any of todays cars has an antenna system that is capable of SW above 6.5MHz, if at all.

Third: not any of today's cars allows satisfactory shortwave reception above 6.5MHz because of massive interference of all those electronic stuff communicating back and forth through the car.

Generally: DRM will more than double the price of the tuner part of a radio, and to show the advantage to the customer (car manufacturer e. g.) you need something more than 3.5kHz or 5kHz audio as presented by Deutsche Welle for most of the day...

Some more thoughts on the complexity of car radios (http://www.elektroniknet.de/topics/bauelemente/fachthemen/2006/0015/index_a.htm) (and customer requirements / in German).
Speziell den weltweit agierenden Automobil-Herstellern ist daran gelegen, mit möglichst geringem Aufwand alle existierenden Radio-Standards zu unterstützen. Dementsprechend müssen die Chipsätze der Halbleiter-Hersteller und die Radio-Plattformen der Zulieferer universell, modular und zukunftssicher aufgebaut sein.

mitajohn
12-04-2006, 18:14
Hi all,

I received the attached e-mail, may be is interesting.

John.

EDIT:13_04_06, Now it can be seen there: http://www.drm.org/pdfs/press_release_122.pdf

Aetheradio
14-09-2014, 00:04
Its Ground Hog Day! with the announcement of a new DRM receiver in India I thought I'd review the products we've been hoping or waiting for during the decade

So I found the appropriate thread starting with the original post which seems every bit up to date with the current scene, other than a few models which have come and gone in the meantime. Here is an update to fill in the gaps:


Newstar DR111 - Mirics Msi002 chip
Newstar W608 board - Mirics Msi001 based
Uniwave - Mirics Msi001 based - discontinued
MsWay DR100 - PNP chipset PN3034? - projects terminated 3/2012
MsWay USB stick - DRM+ / FM only
Kenwood KDC-W7563U DRM - prototype only
Sarapulsky RP 229 DRM - Radioscape 500 module - projects terminated 2012
Sarapulsky portable
Starwaves truckbox - Radioscape module
Technisat - Radioscape module
Mayah 2010 - Radioscape module, last date Q4/2003
Morphy Richards / Roberts - Radioscape module

This is not meant to be critical comment on any of the manufacturers, who were for many reasons unable to get a product to completion in the market on a sustainable basis. I thank them for trying. It kept me busy with my test transmitter for a while, in the hope that I'd be able to buy a DRM car radio - had to settle for one with a digital front end - that does Shortwave.

Ralph


In response to this commentary:
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/features/media/int060202.html

and in particular the comment:

"delays in introducing affordable user-friendly receivers are proving to be a major problem, and it's by no means certain that DRM will ever realise its full potential, as in the meantime international broadcasters are dropping significant amounts of short-wave output."

Siriol Evans from the DRM press office has replied at:
http://medianetwork.blogspot.com/
scroll to entries on Friday February 10th.

A further press release from the DRM Consortium on the Le-Radio exhibition starting tomorrow is in DX Listening Digest 6-028 under Conventions and Conferences at:
http://www.w4uvh.net/dxlatest.txt
which will be moved to
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxld6028.txt
when the next issue is published.

Note this on the Roberts radios which will be demonstrated:

Interested consumers will be able to order DRM-capable radios online
in the coming months. Consumers are advised to stay tuned to
http://www.drm.org as well as DRM`s national Web sites including
http://www.drmfrance.com for product availability bulletins and
ordering information.

I maintain you need radios in the shops and regarding Andy Sennitt's comments here's some quotes from my folder of DRM press releases etc:

DRM receivers are expected to be available in shops in 2004. (DRM press release 15.9.2003)

RTL intends to make sure there are two million DRM receivers in Europe by 2007. "This is going to happen," he said. Sony will be producing receivers with both DAB and DRM capability. (Michel Penneroux, DRM Commercial Committee, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group minutes)

"Cheap DRM receivers will be out by Christmas" (Adil Mina, Continental Electronics, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group meeting)

One million DRM receivers are expected to be in the marketplace by 2006.(Peter Senger, US DRM meeting, November 8-12 2004)

DRM capable consumer products are heading for the shops for Christmas 2005. (Peter Senger quoted in DRM press release, 4th September 2005)

The same problem with lack of availability of affordable receivers affected DAB when it first came in and are affecting IBOC. Broadcasters won't make major investments in DRM without them.

Mike

G0SVN
14-09-2014, 08:09
Hi Ralph, thanks for the comprehensive list of DRM receivers, many of which I have never heard of before!

There is a picture of the new receiver on Alokesh Gupta Radioactivity web page.
http://alokeshgupta.blogspot.co.uk/

PP5AZF-Ataliba
18-09-2014, 18:59
Press Release

At IBC on Friday 12th September the DRM Consortium launched the first DRM AM model receiver produced in India for India and for global use.

The AV-DR -1401 designed and produced by Communications Systems Inc under the brand name Avion Electronics of India (www.avionelectronics.in) is a digital DRM SW, MW, as well as analogue AM and FM receiver with stereo reception, offering some of the extra features that make digital superior to analogue: more choice in perfect sound (MPEG audio), multimedia applications and local interactive text and media (Journaline), automatic tuning by station, not frequency, emergency alert capability etc.

The receiver was unveiled at the first DRM ‘Pit-stop’ on Friday 12th September at the Ampegon stand (Hall 8: D35). It was subsequently showcased on Saturday 13th September at Thomson Broadcast, the second ‘Pit stop’ event (Hall 8:C35) and at the “tell and show” event organised by DRM Consortium member Nautel Ltd (Hall 8:C49). At their session ‘Building to a Billion and Beyond’, Nautel representatives and other Consortium companies from India and around the world gave an update on the digital project in India and participants could sample the excellent sound of the new DRM receiver model.

Ankit Agrawal, Director of Communications Systems Inc which produced the new model was thrilled with the interest created by the DRM radio: ”Our receiver performed very well and its audio quality, extra features and ease of use received a lot of positive feedback. IBC participants particularly liked the extended battery life of the receiver and its emergency warning capability. With small adjustments we plan to make the receiver available for order in the next few months.”

Ruxandra Obreja, the Consortium Chairman, says that: “We are very pleased with the exciting announcement on this new Indian receiver. With sufficient orders and support it could do very well and start the receiver ball rolling demonstrating that global, green and extremely cost-effective DRM is not just the future of digital radio but a reality for listeners now.”

Other DRM members present at IBC are: Digidia, Fraunhofer IIs, GatesAir, RFmondial and Transradio.

http://www.drm.org/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/Avion-Electronics-Receiver.jpg
Avion Electronics DRM Receiver

http://www.drm.org/?p=3452

Linux-DRM
19-09-2014, 08:34
Not the prettiest radio in the world.

Aetheradio
29-12-2017, 00:39
Its Ground Hog Day! with the announcement of a new DRM receiver in India I thought I'd review the products we've been hoping or waiting for during the decade


Gospell GR-227 usb tuner for car radios - xHE-AAC and DRM+, DAB+,AM/FM
Gospell GR-216 - NXP chipset, does xHE-AAC but no DRM+
PantronX Titus2 - tablet based relying on "available apps"
Avion DR-1401 - allegedly does xHE-AAC but not DRM+ compliant
Newstar DR212 - didnt go into production /2015
Newstar DR111 - Mirics Msi002 chip
Newstar W608 board - Mirics Msi001 based
Uniwave - Mirics Msi001 based - discontinued
MsWay DR100 - PNP chipset PN3034? - projects terminated 3/2012
MsWay USB stick - DRM+ / FM only
Kenwood KDC-W7563U DRM - prototype only
Sarapulsky RP 229 DRM - Radioscape 500 module - projects terminated 2012
Sarapulsky portable
Starwaves truckbox - Radioscape module
Technisat - Radioscape module
Himalaya DRM 2009 - Radioscape module
Mayah 2010 - Radioscape module, last date Q4/2003
Morphy Richards - Radioscape module
Roberts - Radioscape module


Ralph
Updated the list
I have hopes for the GR-227 adaptor and they need to include AMstereo in the tuner so I can convince the 3 stations in my area to flick on the stereo switch which hasnt been used since they were installed

G0SVN
31-12-2017, 14:43
Hi Ralph, thanks for the update to the list of DRM radios. I am looking forward to the PantronX Titus2, lets hope the apps will be available!

I am not currently active due to computer problems, the Dream/Winradio computer keeps crashing, perhaps I should really be using one of my 5 radios I have from your list.

Happy New Year to you all.

Aetheradio
26-05-2018, 09:26
Reading the latest press releases on car radios with DRM

https://www.radioworld.com/news-and-business/india-drm-receivers-find-place-in-cars

Not much believable info there, but I did find a most up to date and definative list (new to me) here:

http://radiotelevisionandhobbies.blogspot.co.nz/p/every-drm-receiver.html

Ralph

tpreitzel
13-06-2018, 14:35
The current state of DRM including RECEIVERS. It's a good overview and reflects a healthy prognosis for global recovery of DRM even though AIR as the state broadcaster in India is the primary adopter of DRM so far. DRM is finally beginning to benefit from all the research and activity over the past 15 years. The naysayers are clearly losing.

http://www.drm.org/drm-digital-radio-broadcasting-in-india/

Listen to DRM live via AIR's Bangalore transmitter on the SpyNet:
http://117.198.99.236:9000/

Per
21-06-2018, 09:39
Reading the latest press releases on car radios with DRM


Not much believable info there, but I did find a most up to date and definative list (new to me) here:

http://radiotelevisionandhobbies.blogspot.co.nz/p/every-drm-receiver.html

Ralph

Thanks for the link. When Terje (Digger) moved house/country I inherit his Morphy Richards.
Despite being a DX-er and DRM-listener for many years I can't understand how this Rx is " it's still considered one of the best DRM receivers ever released." I find it truly awkward to tune to any station with this Rx.
Now back to the SDR Airspy HF+

tpreitzel
20-05-2019, 15:40
Since I need to use a proxy to access public WiFi, I just can't handle the blog at swling.com any more with their captchas so I'll move my commentary to the "General Topics" forum here instead. I wish Thomas well over there at SW Listening Post.

https://inc42.com/startups/inntot-is-looking-to-make-waves-with-its-digital-radio-solutions/

With the availability of digital radio, especially DRM, the capability is just awesome since the listener will have access to visual information as well as audible information. Full-featured digital radios need to be standard, ie. equipped with I/O connectors for video, etc. One can then connect a graphics panel where information can be tailored for the listener just through the setting of a simple option like the timezone. I agree largely with the commentary in this article despite the usual suspects, i.e. naysayers, on the SW Listening Post. The latter group is actually quite humorous at times. ;)

Good observations in this article.

tpreitzel
22-05-2019, 00:07
Excellent,

These developments are nice and important, but we desperately need a good, reliable, and full-featured DRM radio for a reasonable price. We're getting there, but not as fast as most of us had hoped. Good grief, $30k isn't much money at all these days....about the price for a rare bottle of vintage wine. ;)

https://www.drm.org/digital-radio-mondiale-participates-in-mbt-hungary-conference-with-new-drm-module/

These developments are even more important in light of the current problems with moving DReaM to FDK. Currently, the software is broken at r1331 and will probably need a thorough rewrite to get it right. Hence, there is a great need for a low-cost, decent performing DRM receiver. Thankfully, Starwaves is helping and they deserve to reap the reward.