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In response to this commentary:
http://www.radionetherlands.nl/features/media/int060202.html
and in particular the comment:
"delays in introducing affordable user-friendly receivers are proving to be a major problem, and it's by no means certain that DRM will ever realise its full potential, as in the meantime international broadcasters are dropping significant amounts of short-wave output."
Siriol Evans from the DRM press office has replied at:
http://medianetwork.blogspot.com/
scroll to entries on Friday February 10th.
A further press release from the DRM Consortium on the Le-Radio exhibition starting tomorrow is in DX Listening Digest 6-028 under Conventions and Conferences at:
http://www.w4uvh.net/dxlatest.txt
which will be moved to
http://www.worldofradio.com/dxld6028.txt
when the next issue is published.
Note this on the Roberts radios which will be demonstrated:
Interested consumers will be able to order DRM-capable radios online
in the coming months. Consumers are advised to stay tuned to
http://www.drm.org as well as DRM`s national Web sites including
http://www.drmfrance.com for product availability bulletins and
ordering information.
I maintain you need radios in the shops and regarding Andy Sennitt's comments here's some quotes from my folder of DRM press releases etc:
DRM receivers are expected to be available in shops in 2004. (DRM press release 15.9.2003)
RTL intends to make sure there are two million DRM receivers in Europe by 2007. "This is going to happen," he said. Sony will be producing receivers with both DAB and DRM capability. (Michel Penneroux, DRM Commercial Committee, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group minutes)
"Cheap DRM receivers will be out by Christmas" (Adil Mina, Continental Electronics, May 6th 2004, USA DRM group meeting)
One million DRM receivers are expected to be in the marketplace by 2006.(Peter Senger, US DRM meeting, November 8-12 2004)
DRM capable consumer products are heading for the shops for Christmas 2005. (Peter Senger quoted in DRM press release, 4th September 2005)
The same problem with lack of availability of affordable receivers affected DAB when it first came in and are affecting IBOC. Broadcasters won't make major investments in DRM without them.
Mike
Thanks a lot for the info and links MIke. I read your comment on the media network blog..chicken and egg situation
Read this message from Sangean Europe received this mornings:
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Anke Markusse [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@sangean.nl]
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 februari 2006 11:54
Aan: j.arends@sangean.nl
Onderwerp: FW: Formulier Website Sangean.nl
Our DRM radio will be available autumn 2006. At the moment we are waiting
for the module RS-5500 from radioscape.As soon as new developments are
coming up we will let you know by email.
Sangean Europe bv
Ankerkade 20
5928 PL Venlo
The Netherlands
Tel +31-77-382 9344
Fax +31-77-387 5357
Read this message from Sangean Europe received this mornings:
-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Anke Markusse [mailto:xxxxxxxxxx@sangean.nl]
Verzonden: vrijdag 17 februari 2006 11:54
Aan: j.arends@sangean.nl
Onderwerp: FW: Formulier Website Sangean.nl
Our DRM radio will be available autumn 2006. At the moment we are waiting
for the module RS-5500 from radioscape.As soon as new developments are
coming up we will let you know by email.
Sangean Europe bv
Ankerkade 20
5928 PL Venlo
The Netherlands
Tel +31-77-382 9344
Fax +31-77-387 5357
Funny the module has been available since Autumn 2005 !
Helllo, here his the email received from Roberts Radio about DRM receiver issue date:
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From: information@robertsradio.co.uk <information@robertsradio.co.uk>
To: Andrea Borgnino IW0HK <XXXXXXXXXXXX@gmail.com>
Date: Feb 21, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: DRM Radio
Dear Mr Borgnino,
Thank you for your e-mail
It is expected to be April time and information will appear on our website prior which is www.robertsradio.co.uk
Regards
Susan Shaw
tacitus-ms
22-02-2006, 18:23
Funny the module has been available since Autumn 2005 !
DRM receivers are just like nuclear fusion. Since already 30 years the nuclear fusion will work in about 50 years, that means in 1970 it should work in 2020, in 1990 about 2040 and now in 50 years too. DRM receivers have always been available in about a half year in the future since the first announcements.
That's the end of it.
regards tacitus-ms
DRM receivers have always been available in about a half year in the future since the first announcements.
That's the end of it.
But there is a difference to nuclear fusion reactors: No one has already seen such a reactor, DRM receivers however could be looked at, listened to, smelled, touched, tuned and photographed at IFA in Berlin!
Has anyone else noticed that the module designation in iw0hk's post in this thread was RS-5500, not RS-500, ie a new and more recent version of the module or just a typo by someone?
Roland
Think this must have been a mistake.
The RS500 module looks like it will just use a telescopic with an F connector, like for DAB. Hope they will also provide a proper facility to connect an internal ferrite aerial, especially for LW/MW given all the discussion about noise. Can see people being disapointed with the performance if this is not the case.
Richard
Hi all,
from March 2006 the Starwaves W37 DRM-DAB-receiver is available, here some information from the starwaves website:
"Starwaves W37 is world’s first DRM-DAB-Receiver that you can order.
Since the call of DRM and WORLDDAB towards industry, to produce devices that combines both technologies this unit is the first in the world that takes this requirement."
Datasheets can be downloaded:
in German http://www.starwaves.com/W37DE.pdf
or English http://www.starwaves.com/W37EN.pdf
Simone
Hmm very high power consumption. What abut AMSS decoding ? Big size with a big price no doubt !
Scroll to September 10th 2004 on this page:
http://www.radiointel.com/oldnews.htm
for details of their previous Starwaves Prelude, 50 protoypes, price 2003 Euros! No price quoted on their website for the new model and nothing found when I searched at the store they link to.
Seems they have waited until the start of the CEBiT fair in Hannover.
When you follow the link given in the impressum of www.starwaves.com you will find the way to their dealer. Price is 1599,- €. :eek:
Seems they have waited until the start of the CEBiT fair in Hannover.
When you follow the link given in the impressum of www.starwaves.com you will find the way to their dealer. Price is 1599,- €. :eek:
Nothing found when you type drm in search anyway. Just a re-hash of the IBC with prototypes if so probably. Are you sure there's any DRM 'stuff' at Cebit ?
Nothing found when you type drm in search anyway. Just a re-hash of the IBC with prototypes if so probably. Are you sure there's any DRM 'stuff' at Cebit ?
No, not really. I just seached the list of exhibitors of the Cebit fair which in fact starts tomorrow. No search results neither for "DRM" nor for "Starwaves".
Seems I was mislead by the fact there is a resarch project on local DRM broadcasts in the 11m Band going on in Hannover with test transmissions on 26045 kHz (which I can neither hear nor even "see" in Hamburg, at approx 150 km distance :( ). The manufacturer Starwaves is involved in the project. So I wonder why they do NOT exhibit anything ?!?
I just seached the list of exhibitors of the Cebit fair which in fact starts tomorrow.
In real fact, this year's Cebit already ended today.
:rolleyes:
Roland
Oh yes indeed. I am far beyond the time. NEXT year it will be from 15. to 21.03.2007, Preliminary information is available here:http://www.cebit.com
("Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" :( )
Roberts tell me now no DRM radios until the Summer (previoulsy April) Of course by then we will have at least half-a-dozen MW tests in the UK....yes ok I know... dream on !
radiomann
22-03-2006, 20:40
Roberts tell me now no DRM radios until the Summer (previoulsy April) Of course by then we will have at least half-a-dozen MW tests in the UK....yes ok I know... dream on !
Ah, the goal post has been moved again, not going to be too negative on this as I expected this, even RTL people seem very concerned at all the delays.
Ah, the goal post has been moved again, not going to be too negative on this as I expected this, even RTL people seem very concerned at all the delays.
Then in Auguest the'll say December and that's another year gone by waiting :mad:
It's the internet radio streams which are killing it. When you can get 1000's of mostly good quality (stereo) stations via the net plus soon to be city / country wide wireless DRM is effectivly dead. I hope not but in this internet everywhere world now it's not helping
FritzWue
28-03-2006, 16:36
It's the internet radio streams which are killing it. When you can get 1000's of mostly good quality (stereo) stations via the net plus soon to be city / country wide wireless DRM is effectivly dead. I hope not but in this internet everywhere world now it's not helping
...internet in the car??? :rolleyes: WLAN??? :p
You better forget it. Try DRM, it works !!! :cool:
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening! :mad:
...internet in the car??? :rolleyes: WLAN??? :p
You better forget it. Try DRM, it works !!! :cool:
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening! :mad:
True but ask yourself why they are discouraged ? In fact they are totally uninterested. Yes internet in the car will soon be a reality thanks to city wireless access like in London and Bristol and 8 other locations in the UK very soon. I'm sure Germany and many other countries have or will have just the same deal...
Car radios which wirelessly link to the net I'm sure will be on the market soon...
The discouraged industry is to blame now for what is NOT happening! :mad:
If the competitors were really interested, they would take their chance since there is now a delay in the current prototype-to-market process of receivers based on the Radioscape module. But nothing...
It's also a shame what happened a few years ago: There was once a heavily funded EU-project which had the (published) goal of producing a DRM chip. A few companies absorbed the money and nothing emerged, not even a downloadable report can be found. It's the european tax payer's money - our money :( - that was burnt!
Update: You can read more about this 30 million EUR (!) project named "DIAM Eureka" in this pdf file (http://www.ebu.ch/trev_293-jackson.pdf).
There was also another 4 million EUR (!) project funded by the German Ministry of Education and Research which went under the name "Radiomondo", no chips have emerged from this one as well.
What a waste of money!
Roland
FritzWue
03-04-2006, 12:58
Car radios which wirelessly link to the net I'm sure will be on the market soon...
...but they will be pretty useless for a long time when driving from town A to town B with 100km of nothing in between.
Just got mail from http://www.robertsradio.co.uk/ today answering my question when we will see DRM receivers from them. Quote:
"We are in the testing stage and anticipate early to mid summer before release."
...but they will be pretty useless for a long time when driving from town A to town B with 100km of nothing in between.
Just got mail from http://www.robertsradio.co.uk/ today answering my question when we will see DRM receivers from them. Quote:
"We are in the testing stage and anticipate early to mid summer before release."
Ah but what year ? :D
What on earth do they still have left to test ?!
Update: You can read more about this 30 million EUR (!) project named "DIAM Eureka" in this pdf file (http://www.ebu.ch/trev_293-jackson.pdf).
There was also another 4 million EUR (!) project funded by the German Ministry of Education and Research which went under the name "Radiomondo", no chips have emerged from this one as well.
What a waste of money!
This is still running:
http://www.smart-chips.net/
At least there are some papers:
Partitioning of a DRM Receiver (http://www.smart-chips.net/includes/download.php?table=Downloads&id=22)
Complexity analysis for mapping a DRM receiver on a heterogeneous tiled architecture (http://www.smart-chips.net/includes/download.php?table=Downloads&id=21)
At least there are some papers:
Partitioning of a DRM Receiver (http://www.smart-chips.net/includes/download.php?table=Downloads&id=22)
Complexity analysis for mapping a DRM receiver on a heterogeneous tiled architecture (http://www.smart-chips.net/includes/download.php?table=Downloads&id=21)
When reading these papers one does not get the impression that, so far, there is anything near a DRM-capable chip using such an architecture. Not in the next three years, if you ask me!
Roland
Philips car DSP chips
More infos (dated Sept. 2005) in this press release. (http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/news/content/file_1182.html)
Validation is going on, production chips may be expected within 3month.
If you want to write your own software, this (http://www.semiconductors.philips.com/acrobat/datasheets/PNX15XX_SER_N_3.pdf) is what you might want to use...
Problem is that after design there is lot of paper work to comply with all that regulations of safety, EMC, "Produkthaftung", environmental legislation (amount of lead in the chips and solder is only one example) and different specifications of different car manufacturers to get a thing into a car.
Next problem is that not any of todays cars has an antenna system that is capable of SW above 6.5MHz, if at all.
Third: not any of today's cars allows satisfactory shortwave reception above 6.5MHz because of massive interference of all those electronic stuff communicating back and forth through the car.
Generally: DRM will more than double the price of the tuner part of a radio, and to show the advantage to the customer (car manufacturer e. g.) you need something more than 3.5kHz or 5kHz audio as presented by Deutsche Welle for most of the day...
Some more thoughts on the complexity of car radios (http://www.elektroniknet.de/topics/bauelemente/fachthemen/2006/0015/index_a.htm) (and customer requirements / in German).
Speziell den weltweit agierenden Automobil-Herstellern ist daran gelegen, mit möglichst geringem Aufwand alle existierenden Radio-Standards zu unterstützen. Dementsprechend müssen die Chipsätze der Halbleiter-Hersteller und die Radio-Plattformen der Zulieferer universell, modular und zukunftssicher aufgebaut sein.
mitajohn
12-04-2006, 18:14
Hi all,
I received the attached e-mail, may be is interesting.
John.
EDIT:13_04_06, Now it can be seen there: http://www.drm.org/pdfs/press_release_122.pdf
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