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Baldo34
14-03-2005, 14:04
Hi all,
Deutschlandradio Kultur on 177 kHz now in DRM.
Excellent reception near Kassel, no problem with Europe 1 on 183 kHz.
73, Klaus

johnn
14-03-2005, 15:48
Thanks Klaus.
Your Winradio spectrum display shows 183khz will not stop your 177khz reception. It does here in UK. 3- 5dB SNR. Some chopped up audio suggests sound quality should be good?
I have rotated my loop aerial previously to receive 177 more in the clear, so will do it again

Baldo34
14-03-2005, 16:09
According to the label audio should be stereo with 23.5 kbps.
I guess it's only 16 kbps, no SBR at the moment.
73, Klaus

df9rb
15-03-2005, 14:41
Hi all,

very stable reception here in South East Germany, audio quality is ok. A stable signal like this makes it possible to change some adjustments (gain) or to try different antennas.

Hopefully this will become a regular transmission.

Bernd, DF9RB

MarkT
16-03-2005, 20:33
Hi all,

Anyone know what DRM transmission shedules/times are available for this station. I can pick up the am transmission most times during day and night time.

Baldo34
17-03-2005, 07:12
Hi,
there is no schedule available, only irregular test transmissions on this frequency.
73, Klaus

MarkT
17-03-2005, 16:41
Thanks for the info Klaus` much appreciated.

df9rb
18-03-2005, 12:55
Hi all,

very stable 30 dB SNR

Bernd, DF9RB

MarkT
18-03-2005, 13:24
Gotcha! at last. A stable 14 db signal here this afternoon. Nice audo quality at 23 kbps mono. Will send in my log at end of transmission.

MarkT
18-03-2005, 13:54
Hi all,
Here is my log for this afternoon. There was 2 major interuptions, one at 12.54 and 13.22 UTC. There must of been some problem at the transmitter but was only brief. The french AM station on 183Khz caused little splatter but posed no problems.
Generally very pleased with the reception and audio considering my distance.

df9rb
18-03-2005, 16:17
Hi Mark,

I just came home and the first I did was to tune again to
177. I also have splatter from the 183. "Fortunately" the
transmission on 177 switches of from time to time. So I used
this interruptions to minimize the splatter from 183 by turning my ALA1530 a few degrees. In this optimal positon I got the 30 dB. Before I turned the ALA to minimum carrierer of 183. But In this position the SNR is only 25 dB. I do not understand why the minimum splatter position is different to minimal carrier position but it is.
With my other antennas (30 m wire or EWE) the DRM reception
on 177 is impossible (SNR only 8 to 10 dB) because the splatter from 183 is to strong.

Did you also try to minimize splatter with your ALA?

I enclosed two screenshots with transmitter on 177 off. Above 12 khz you can see the splatter from 183 with the ALA and the other the EWE

Bernd , DF9RB

MarkT
18-03-2005, 21:59
Originally posted by df9rb
Hi Mark,

I just came home and the first I did was to tune again to
177. I also have splatter from the 183. "Fortunately" the
transmission on 177 switches of from time to time. So I used
this interruptions to minimize the splatter from 183 by turning my ALA1530 a few degrees. In this optimal positon I got the 30 dB. Before I turned the ALA to minimum carrierer of 183. But In this position the SNR is only 25 dB. I do not understand why the minimum splatter position is different to minimal carrier position but it is.
With my other antennas (30 m wire or EWE) the DRM reception
on 177 is impossible (SNR only 8 to 10 dB) because the splatter from 183 is to strong.

Did you also try to minimize splatter with your ALA?

I enclosed two screenshots with transmitter on 177 off. Above 12 khz you can see the splatter from 183 with the ALA and the other the EWE

Bernd , DF9RB

Hi Bernd,

Luckely for me 183 Khz and Oranienburg are nearly 90 deg apart in direction from my location.
First of all before I started logging, the ALA 1530 was pointing to 183 Khz and the splatter was not to bad here but the SNR was only 9-10 dbs. When I moved the ALA to null out 183 Khz the SNR improved by about 4 dbs.
Don`t know why your other antennas
are performing so poor on this freq, maybe noise or something.
Ever since I purchased the ALA I have never known a antenna to perform so well for the size. It may not have as much gain as the others but the SNR or
"quiet" characteristics are amazing.

FritzWue
20-03-2005, 22:29
177 kHz antenna info here:
http://telefunken-sender.de/News_Presse/DRM_u__LW-Ant/drm_u__lw-ant.html

Baldo34
23-08-2005, 12:12
Hi all,
Oranienburg on 177 kHz with DRM test.
Bad audio quality (spectrum shows only 6 kHz).
Strong signal, but low SNR (max. 15 dB) because of adjacent channel (183 kHz).
73, Klaus

carknue
23-08-2005, 18:21
Signal looks really strong here in Frankfurt. Much stronger than RTL 1440 khz on daytime. But the Mega blaster on 183 khz destroys every chance of a sync. Screenshot was taken with AOR and 20 khz filter. Authorites should think about putting these two stations back into the normal 9 khz scheme.

simone
23-08-2005, 18:36
Hi all,
same situation here, that´s what the SNR spectrum looks like.
73, Simone

FritzWue
23-08-2005, 18:52
Thanks to Klaus' messages I was able to receive the last minutes with the shielded loop antenna at my location at the dutch border.
A strong signal with a lot of interference.

Andreas
23-08-2005, 18:53
Hi !

And here is my very first log of 177 kHz.

SNR is not quite high, although my QTH is near to the Tx - most probably this is caused not by low S but by high N ;) around, including noise caused by my computer.

Best reception during last minutes before the sudden end was achieved by turning the ferrite rod thus Europe 1 was nearly nulled out.

Andreas

FritzWue
23-08-2005, 19:22
Some screenshots with more details.
At my location Berlin and Saarlouis are about 90° apart, so very good efficiency of the loop antenna.
As Carsten said this is a very bad frequency allocation, even if they want to transmit a megawatt in the future:
http://telefunken-sender.de/News_Presse/DRM_u__LW-Ant/drm_u__lw-ant.html
If they want to demonstrate this during the IFA the sound quality should be enhanced!!!

FritzWue
23-08-2005, 20:21
TX location 16515 Zehlendorf:

Baldo34
29-08-2005, 08:45
Hi all,
LW 177 kHz switched over to DRM at 07:56 UT this morning, unfortunately with a carrier (like Ismaning on 6085 kHz).
Good audio quality now.
A 2nd channel tells the history of Deutschlandradio in HVXC with 2.4 kbps.

73, Klaus

Paul Widger
29-08-2005, 14:10
Receiving 177 Khz here in Huddersfield N,England.
A few dropouts but generally quite good,maybe it
will improve at night.
Using two loops,the second loop cancels 183khz.
Is the carrier necessary?
Could hear the old AM reasonably,more noise
but no dropouts.

Paul.

df9rb
29-08-2005, 15:52
Hi,

quite stable with the loop minimized towards 183 kHz. With
other antennas no decoding.

Bernd, DF9RB

FritzWue
29-08-2005, 18:26
With the loop antenna's minimum to Saarlouis no problems here in the afternoon and early evening. Good audio quality!

Andreas
29-08-2005, 19:47
I did not really expect problems at my location and there were none.

Europe 1 is at right angle to Oranienburg from here and the Tx could always be heard with a SINPO of near to 55555 (on my dear old Grundig Satellit 650)

The big drop at 18:40 was the fully unsuccessful attempt to receive a signal with the whip antenna, the other one - I don't know.

However the small adjustable ferrite rod mounted to my indoor antenna worked quite well.

And yes indeed: sound quality is near to FM.

73, Andreas

"It's a small step for DRM but a big step for long wave"

MarkT
29-08-2005, 19:51
Hi all,

Listening to some nice classical music from
177 kHz just now, great audio quality. Picking up the second channel as well.
Had to turn the ALA 1530 to null out 183 kHz. A bit of a "battle" with 168 kHz as well but Oranienburg is winning at the moment....
Will send in my log later tonight.

dk8cb
29-08-2005, 20:56
A very low SNR on the ferrite antenna here in Munich, much too low for audio. 183 kHz cannot be nulled sufficiently such that there is still enough signal from DLF.

Guess, I will have to put up a longwave loop in addition to my already existing mediumwave loop.

Roland

df9rb
29-08-2005, 21:16
Beginning problems at sunset, quite difficult at night in South East Gemany but in Mode A only a few drop outs even with 7 dB SNR. The DRT1 is also a little better than the TS850 under this conditions (1st graph in log).

Bernd, DF9RB

FritzWue
29-08-2005, 22:25
When I stopped the log this evening and saw the SNR was going down I started again.
Main reason for the decreasing SNR at my location obviously is TRT on 180kHz. I can't do anything about it. When I try to null Turkey then Europe1 on 183kHz is by far too strong here.
Nevertheless audio is remarkably good down to 15dB SNR with 21kbps!

MarkT
29-08-2005, 22:27
Hi all,

Here is my results for tonight. Not too bad but as Carsten said this is a bad frequency.
I had a few bad dropouts caused by adjacent channel interference from 168 kHz.
It just shows the potental of DRM on long wave band.

carknue
29-08-2005, 23:18
Wow! shortly after 23 UTC, Europe 1 closed down. Now 28 dB! LW really rocks! Short IR! S9+20dB. :cool:

df9cy
30-08-2005, 04:36
Big signal here 20km north of Kiel. I had 21 dB S/N at 17 UTC yesterday dropping to 17 dB at 21 UTC. This morning I saw about 19 dB and I am still running the log unattended until tonight.
All looks very well with good audio quality.

We (in our company) will try mobile reception today in a VW car with internal antennas.

73 de Christoph

carknue
30-08-2005, 05:54
Perfect reception last night until 183 khz returned back to life around 2 UTC. After that no chance for a single audio frame.

Its really a shame to start DRM with this frequency:(

FritzWue
30-08-2005, 06:56
When 183kHz was switched off between 23 and 02 UTC the full potential of longwave DRM was visible:
SNR 29.4dB average at 443km distance.
I did some tests before I started this log. SNR was some dBs lower on the T-antenna compared to the loop even with 183kHz switched off.

MarkT
30-08-2005, 22:13
Hi all,

Results for tonight, roughly same as last night with adjacent channel interference.

simone
31-08-2005, 04:17
Hi all,
good results last night, see attachment
73, Simone

FritzWue
31-08-2005, 06:32
Overnight log with loop minimum unintentionally set 10° off Saarlouis. I corrected that at 05:47, the dropouts were caused by this. Surprisingly there was good audio down to 14dB SNR.

Andreas
31-08-2005, 16:55
Here in the north of Germany there is more interference from the north-east.

However the "high" between 23:00 and 2:00 UTC was encountered too. I did not attend the log but when I had a short look at approx.. 23:53 both adjacent Txes were apparently off air.

73, Andreas

FritzWue
31-08-2005, 19:17
Now the News Service and HVXC is available.
Attached is a zip containing two short recorded HVXC wave files, one good and one distorted by TRT 180kHz.

PaulT
31-08-2005, 23:22
With 183 off air at 2307 I still have a rogue impulse at 180khz?? An harmonic I guess, any ideas what it might be and how I can get rid. The Wellbrook loop has been adjusted to minimize.

Best Regards

Paul T

FritzWue
01-09-2005, 06:23
Hi Paul T,
please have a look at my post just before yours, it is TRT Turkey on 180kHz. ;)
This will help, longwave is also included:
http://www.emwg.info/
There is a new september 2005 edition!

MarkT
01-09-2005, 18:59
Hi all,

Here is nearly 1 hours worth from 177 kHz.
Unfortunately I am receiving bad spherics here this evening roughly the same signal strength resulting in bad breakup of DRM stream.

Per
01-09-2005, 19:58
Hi,

No audio on 177 kHz, but right now, 19:56 UTC i have around 6.4 dB SNR, with three services running:
DLR @ 20.2 kbps + 2 x Wir ueber uns (2.4 kbps + 1 kbps).

PaulT
01-09-2005, 23:53
Many thanks for the 180k info. My brain cells must be going quicker than I expected. I had read your post and also listened to the HVXC files one of which you identified as the TRT interferer. I must stay off the Chardonnay?? (or drink some more)

Best Regards
Paul T

FritzWue
02-09-2005, 08:45
"I must stay off the Chardonnay?? (or drink some more)"
You're welcome, the second choice is best!!! :D

Here is my unattended overnight log until stable daylight condx.
Longwave is very sensitive to static noise.

MarkT
02-09-2005, 17:22
Hi all,

Here is my results for this afternoon.

df9rb
03-09-2005, 12:21
Hi all,

here a 90 minutes log with the loop antenna minimized towerds 183.

3 Remarks:

- During test transmissions on March 18th there was no carrier. The SNR was better than 30 dB at that time! See http://www.drmrx.org/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1012&pagenumber=1 (df9rb)
- The frequency allocation is quite improper; during the evening/night the signals on 171 and 183 getting stronger resulting in many audio drop outs of Deutschlandradio
- Yesterday was a thunderstrom. Up to 3 hours later there were a lot of audio drop outs. I could not hear any conspicuous noise by lightnings listenig to the analogue DRM signal but DRM reacted very sensitive.

Bernd, DF9RB

Paul Widger
03-09-2005, 13:50
Good reception here today.
When there is no thunderstorm static reception good
except for 2 hours after sunset due to 180khz interference.

simone
03-09-2005, 18:57
Hi all,
good results this morning in Berlin, see attachment
73, Simone

df9rb
04-09-2005, 07:13
Hi all,

here a mostly unattended overnight log. Until 23:00 it is not a pleasure to listen to Deutschlandradio on 177 because of many audio drop outs. Surprisingly the loop antenna has to be redirected a little compared to the optimized day direction for any audio decoding at all. At the end of the log the loop was set back to the optimized day direction. Between 23:00 to 2:00 reception is perfect.

Bernd, DF9RB

FritzWue
04-09-2005, 08:34
The interruption and the dropouts this morning were transmitter problems, see Bernd's log for comparison.
I also have slightly different minimum settings to Saarlouis for my loop between evening and morning conditions.

FritzWue
04-09-2005, 16:27
Bernd DF9RB sent me his log so we can compare.
We see the same result and TX problems/ switching. :cool:

DRM-Fan
04-09-2005, 16:40
I've only just become aware of 177, how long has this tx been running ? Only getting about 7 - 9 db as I type this. I expect signal to shoot up later this evening...

FritzWue
04-09-2005, 17:20
When we look back through the posts here the tests began March 14, 2005 and then they restarted from August 23, 2005.

FritzWue
05-09-2005, 23:26
I can null 183kHz with the loop, but then 180kHz is the limiting interference in the evening here.

tacitus-ms
05-09-2005, 23:35
Without interferences of Europe 1 on 183 kHz Deutschland Radio from Oranienburg on 177 kHz becomes the best DRM station in Münster/Germany (50 km from the western boarder of Germany!). See sreenshot, you can see the increase of SNR when Europa 1 is switched off. The audio quality is amazing. But if Europa 1 is active, reception is only possible with a loop antenna. The loop has to be turned to the minimum level of Europe 1. Only then reception is possible the whole day.

Digger
08-09-2005, 18:26
Hi,

This afternoon I caught a rather weak DRM signal on 177 kHz with terrible QRM in French at 5 (6?) kHz up. The DRM transmission was in P-Stereo with SBR and 20.26 kbps.

A Data service "wir ueber uns" HVXC (8 kHz), 2.4 kbps and a News Journaline 0.96 kbps was also sighted.

Enclosed is the screen dump "wir ueber uns".

73s de
Terje

PS: Just for fun I took my old Schaub Lorenz Touring T60 and tried to null out the French station. Amazing result. Nulling out, that was.
However, the Local Oscillator was not stable enough to keep the DRM IF in shape...

FritzWue
10-09-2005, 07:40
A rainy night with thunderstorms, all passing by very closely, just did not have to pull the plug.

FritzWue
15-09-2005, 07:10
Overnight log:

Andreas
18-09-2005, 15:31
Hi!

Even without having a satellite bowl I can receive Deutschlandradio now on 6 ways:
via terrestric broadcast in AM, FM, DRM and DAB as well as via cable in FM and DVB-C.

Now I can guess which one of these will be abandoned first, AM or DAB ;) ?

Sound is pretty good in comparision to FM, however stereophonic effect is better audible in "real" stereo than in P-stereo.

My opinion is that the purpose of DRM on longwave will be mainly nationwide mobile reception (data channel to be used for traffic information).

73, Andreas

FritzWue
19-09-2005, 11:32
Originally posted by Andreas
My opinion is that the purpose of DRM on longwave will be mainly nationwide mobile reception (data channel to be used for traffic information).
73, Andreas

From my experience up to now mobile reception is not good in crowded areas on longwave, too much interference.

Here is my result this morning with the loop under the roof and the minimum exactly to Europe1:

Andreas
19-09-2005, 19:52
Hello Fritz and all,

at the moment DLR is broadcast in Germany by a lot of low power FM transmitters , which do not fully cover all sectors of the Autobahn. So sometimes when travelling around I switch to LW (in AM) to listen uninterrupted.

But I must admit, while my car radio, with unknown type of antenna (is it the rear window heating used as a loop antenna???) is capable of receiving DLF's Aholming transmitter which I guess is at least 700 km from here, it would'nt work at all in DRM. Every tunnel, every bridge you underpass, powerlines of street cars, ignition systems of other cars and so on would lead to severe and non-acceptable drop outs.

So is it aimed only at hobby skippers and businessmen, listening to their portable receivers in a hotel room far abroad?

On the other hand LW is much user friendly than SW. Don't worry about Moegel & Dellinger
;) , just switch it on..............

(I dont post todays log, looks like yesterdays)

73, Andreas

FritzWue
19-09-2005, 20:46
Originally posted by Andreas
On the other hand LW is much user friendly than SW. Don't worry about Moegel & Dellinger
;) , just switch it on..............

Hi Andreas,

in town mobile reception is much better on shortwave than on longwave:
Shortwave is a lot stronger under bridges and there is less interference from electrical noise which is usually much weaker at higher frequencies.
..and the whip antenna is longer/better in relation to the wavelength.

df9rb
22-09-2005, 19:11
Here a report from Braunschweig with my Sangean and the built in ferrite antenna. I tried also 855, 693 and 1485 - no reception!

Bernd, DF9RB

FritzWue
25-09-2005, 06:29
Overnight log.
Europe 1 Saarlouis on 183kHz is in the south of my location.
I still wonder why the loop's minimum to Europe 1 is about 10° more to the east late at night compared to what I get next morning at daylight.
My antenna is in the loft, so it is not turned by wind or birds. :confused:

df9rb
25-09-2005, 08:53
Observation from FritzWue:
I still wonder why the loop's minimum to Europe 1 is about 10° more to the east late at night compared to what I get next morning at daylight.

The same at my location with the ALA1530!
I have the feeling (could not confirm it until now) that the
reason are the stations on 171 kHz. They are getting stronger during nighttime. The optimum for 177 is then different to daylight time were it is the best to minimize Europe1. The optimum during nighttime is then the direction with maximum signal towards Oranienburg. But as I wrote in the first sentence "its my feeling".

Bernd, DF9RB

FritzWue
30-09-2005, 18:21
Good reception with the loop antenna at daytime, interference getting stronger in the evening.
I think Bernd's feeling could be right explanation.

FritzWue
01-10-2005, 16:07
Stable daytime reception with the loop's minimum to Saarlouis.

simone
02-10-2005, 07:22
Hi all,
good results when the interferer is not on air at 2308- 0200, see attachment
73, Simone

df9rb
02-10-2005, 20:53
Hi all,

in evening/night hours I can observe very often selctive fading on 177 kHz. The break-in is moving very slowly (sometimes 30 minutes/1 kHz) with up to 20 dB depth over the DRM signal. (see attachment) The combination of interfering stations and this long enduring fading makes reception nearly impossible here in East Bavaria.

Bernd, DF9RB

simone
03-10-2005, 06:35
Hi all,
good results without the interference, see attachment
Simone

FritzWue
03-10-2005, 07:14
Overnight log.
The optimum loop position indeed seems to be where the sum of the two interferers on 180kHz and 183kHz is lowest.

FritzWue
08-10-2005, 07:16
Overnight log.
Interference in the morning mainly from 183 kHz.

simone
09-10-2005, 05:12
Hi all,
not as good as usual last night, see attchment
Simone

df9rb
09-10-2005, 07:33
Hi,

between 16:30 to 06:30 not useable exept the 2 hour when Europe1 is off air. At 7:30 the "daylight SNR" of >26 dB was reached. It would be interesting to know what would be without the center carrier. During test transmissions in spring the SNR was better than 30 dB without this carrier.

Bernd, DF9RB

FritzWue
11-10-2005, 06:48
At my location the overnight result depends a lot on choosing the right compromise position for the loop antenna.

FritzWue
15-10-2005, 05:25
Still high audio framerates at low snr:

carknue
18-10-2005, 18:55
Perfect decoding between 23:10and 2:00 UTC with new FhG DRMSWR.

carknue
20-10-2005, 18:07
Again quite good results in the period of silence on 183khz. There is still interference from 180 khz, but that does not cause to much damage.

FritzWue
21-10-2005, 07:37
Good audio quality, high level content:

carknue
21-10-2005, 18:19
Pretty good reception also this night. DRM seems to work very well on LW, if the frequency is clear.

simone
22-10-2005, 09:01
Hi all,
not so good last night, see attachment
Simone

carknue
22-10-2005, 11:13
Again quite good results in the night.

FritzWue
22-10-2005, 20:48
Good results at daytime with the loop antenna:

FritzWue
23-10-2005, 08:05
From night to daytime propagation:

FritzWue
01-11-2005, 08:52
Loop's minimum to Saarlouis on 183kHz, but TRT on 180kHz is the second problem.

FritzWue
07-11-2005, 11:56
Very reliable daytime reception with the loop's minimum to Saarlouis:

FritzWue
12-11-2005, 13:44
Another 100% day:

FritzWue
13-11-2005, 22:09
With bad condx on shortwave and 1296kHz not working this was the only good DRM signal at that time here.

FritzWue
20-11-2005, 07:27
Overnight log.....quite good with minor problems late in the evening.
The Journaline Dataservice is working fine too but since months shows the same content.

carknue
26-11-2005, 10:03
Perfect reception during the interference free hours in tha late night.

Andreas
27-11-2005, 09:20
A typical overnight log,

- I don't know what caused the two big drops

- minor dropouts are depending on my and my neighbours "electric" activities

- SNR can't be higher, because my receiver is really deaf on long wave

- sound quality is much better than Deutsche Welle!

- interference from Europe 1 and/or TRT 1 is clearly visible but does not really disturb reception at my QTH

I am still waiting for conversion of Deutschlandfunk Neumuenster on 1269 kHz to DRM
;)

midre
27-11-2005, 10:58
Hi DRMs,

possible time to get decoded audio, here at my place, is only between 0:00 and 3:00 am ( ....caused by strong co-Channel)

regards, Michael

DRM-Fan
28-11-2005, 00:54
Unusually strong reception tonight for me with the Terk MW loop. Shame it's just a copy of 1440

dk8cb
28-11-2005, 01:07
Originally posted by DRM-Fan
Shame it's just a copy of 1440
:confused: :confused: :confused:

Why should it be a copy of 1440 kHz?
177 kHz= DLF
1440 kHz = RTL Radio

Something totally different, in any way!

Roland

DRM-Fan
28-11-2005, 02:35
Originally posted by dk8cb

:confused: :confused: :confused:

Why should it be a copy of 1440 kHz?
177 kHz= DLF
1440 kHz = RTL Radio

Something totally different, in any way!

Roland

Well yes different ID's but same music etc on 1440 and 177 ? It is late evening onwards anyway

Telspace
28-11-2005, 15:30
The implementation of the transmitters of Europe 1 in Sarrelouis was decided (I think) in the early 50's when the State of Sarre voted to stay within the Federal German Republic. (Compensation ?). Furthermore, frequency changes have occured in the past due to strong complains.
Although this is a "periferic" station, Europe 1 has always been "controled" one way or the other by the french goverment. BTW the State of Sarre has some financial interests in this radio station ? Don't you think that within the European concept, one day, the transmitters should be moved to France, to avoid those interferences? RMC, another "periferic" station has all of its MW/LW/SW transmitters on the french soil and nobody complains.
This is an opinion off-course.

carknue
28-11-2005, 19:55
@Roland
On 177khz is Deutschlandradio Kultur not DLF. I think that DLF is only on 855khz and 729 khz.

@DRM-Fan
Same music on DKULTUR and RTL Radio...??? Not really?!? The difference cannot be bigger between those two stations.:D

The worst results so far I got on this frequency this night. But still above the 98% mark.

DRM-Fan
29-11-2005, 00:34
Originally posted by carknue
[B@DRM-Fan
Same music on DKULTUR and RTL Radio...??? Not really?!? The difference cannot be bigger between those two stations.:D
[/B]

OK oh well in that case I must be getting bad break through from 1440, that would explain it, I thought 177 was a bit strong for a MW loop:o :o

carknue
29-11-2005, 19:15
This night nearly perfect results as usual on this frequency during the break of the mighty 183;)

dk8cb
30-11-2005, 00:32
Originally posted by carknue
@Roland
On 177khz is Deutschlandradio Kultur not DLF. I think that DLF is only on 855khz and 729 khz.


Reception on 177 kHz is extremely bad here in Munich, so bad that I never listen on this frequency, so excuse my ignorance.
BTW: I'd rather prefer Aholming to switch to DRM but I think, this won't happen since its AM service is still an important one with so few FM frequencies of either DLF or DLR here in the south.

Roland

carknue
30-11-2005, 19:22
The 177khz will be switched back to analouge from tomorrow on, only some hours in the night will stay for DRM. I will not comment this.

Nearly perfect results again this night.

df9rb
01-01-2006, 10:03
Hello,

New Years change is a good opportunity to listen radio at 2 o clock (local).

Happy New Year!
Bernd, DF9RB

FritzWue
04-02-2006, 11:27
This transmission really is a little too late for me, so I could not optimize the loop's position when Saarlouis switched on again.

Jos
17-02-2006, 13:10
Sorry this is a error.

Kind regards.

Jos.

FritzWue
21-02-2006, 07:51
Unattended log, loop setting not optimized:

carknue
19-03-2006, 09:16
Hi,

first time log of this transmission with fieldstrength. Very stable and strong signal. Perfect decoding. I'm really looking forward to some more and longer DRM transmission in the long wave band. Seems to work much better than medium wave.

Andreas
01-04-2006, 11:20
When logging Oranienburg last night I mistuned my Ferrite Antenna copmletely. Thus I got a quite stable signal, but no audio. Shame on me! :mad:

So I post this only to remind you, that DRM emission now is broadcast from 0:00 to 3:00 UTC (i.e. 2:00 to 5:00 CEST)

Andreas
12-04-2006, 17:18
..and here is a complete log from last night.

Some minor dropouts are due to my deaf equipment and some local noise.

Sound is great! Unfortunately nobody (except some mad DRM-DXers, suffering from insomnia) does hear it.:rolleyes:

Andreas
01-05-2006, 07:48
Here is another log. It is better compared to my last log because I moved the ferrite antenna as far away from the laptop as possible. Some further dBs could have been gained by finetuning the antenna's direction - but not during an unmanned log ;) .

FritzWue
30-05-2006, 05:26
Unattended log, loop setting not optimized:

FritzWue
31-05-2006, 05:38
A little better than last night with the loop in nighttime position which is with the minimum a little more to the southeast compared to daytime here.
Last night I thought my setup might have a problem, but this time the same problem with the audio: A loud cyclic low frequency noise at about 2Hz. Can someone confirm this? :confused:

FritzWue
15-08-2006, 05:35
Unattended overnight log:

FritzWue
21-08-2006, 08:41
Unattended log, good result.
Frequency stable selective fading on the signal when I started logging manually.

FritzWue
29-08-2006, 05:21
Started manually, then went to bed. Good audio quality:

f1tay
29-09-2006, 00:42
Very good reception of Deutschlandradio in stereo at Paris.
Daniel

carknue
28-10-2006, 07:36
Very good reception last night during the break of 183 khz.

carknue
02-11-2006, 18:26
Perfect results last night.

carknue
03-11-2006, 18:40
Again quite good last night.

f1tay
04-11-2006, 02:23
At 2h06 QRM by MEDI 1 (Morocco) and station in russian on 171 kHz.
Daniel

carknue
15-11-2006, 19:00
Perfect last night.

carknue
16-11-2006, 18:24
Perfect last night

f1tay
18-11-2006, 01:43
Reception at Paris.

Digger
23-12-2006, 16:20
Last night I tried to log 177 kHz, but due to a miss in the scheduled event the PC shut down premature. I got about 30 minutes, some of it looks pretty good though.

Digger
24-12-2006, 07:43
Last night's 109 minutes unattended log. Not all of it was as good as I expected.

simone
25-12-2006, 09:46
Perfect results last night.
Simone

simone
26-12-2006, 10:22
Pretty good results again last night.
Simone

f1tay
28-12-2006, 02:43
Very good reception this night at Paris.
Daniel

simone
30-12-2006, 07:16
Perfect results last night.
Simone

simone
31-12-2006, 14:46
Perfect again last night.
Simone

simone
01-01-2007, 14:40
...and again perfect results last night.
Simone

simone
06-01-2007, 15:24
Excellent results last night.
Simone

simone
13-01-2007, 11:12
Great results as usual.
Simone

simone
14-01-2007, 13:12
Good results as usual.
Simoen

simone
20-01-2007, 11:11
Some Tx problems last night causing the dropouts, otherwise good results again.
Simone

simone
21-01-2007, 07:02
No problems last night.
Simone

simone
26-01-2007, 07:48
Several sync losses last night.
Simone

simone
28-01-2007, 08:42
No problems and perfect results last night.
Simone

simone
04-02-2007, 20:26
Great results last night.
Simone

simone
17-02-2007, 06:47
Lower and more instable SNR than usual.
Simone

simone
18-02-2007, 07:26
Quite good last night.
Simone

df9rb
18-02-2007, 09:02
Hello,

a short log before going to bed......
No carrier in the center anymore. The 2nd attachment shows deep selective fading which lasted several minutes.

Bernd, DF9RB

carknue
24-02-2007, 08:04
A perfect reception this night.

simone
27-02-2007, 15:23
Good results last night.
Simone

simone
04-03-2007, 07:09
Perfect results last night.
Simone

simone
24-03-2007, 07:07
Great results last night.
Simone

simone
30-03-2007, 09:12
Lower SNR from 0200 last night.
Simone

simone
31-03-2007, 05:30
Problems in the last hour.
Simone

Digger
01-04-2007, 07:13
An unattendet log. The first two hours were perfect. Then (probably) 182 kHz started. That was the end of the fun. My 11 meter wire that runs North-South is good for reception on Long Wave, but in case of 177 kHz we obviously need a directional antenna.

simone
07-04-2007, 05:50
Again problems in the last hour.
Simone

FritzWue
09-04-2007, 05:58
Unattended log with nondirectional T-antenna, very similar results here:

simone
14-04-2007, 04:51
Similar results again last night.
Simone

simone
20-04-2007, 06:51
By turning the loop antenna when I had to be up early a few days ago, I could improve results, no dropouts from 02:27.
Simone

simone
21-04-2007, 05:16
Not too bad concerning decoded audio in the last hour with the loop antenna in the right position.
Simone

simone
29-04-2007, 04:44
A big drop in SNR when interference started, but no dropouts with the antenna in the right position.
Simone

simone
01-05-2007, 04:20
Similar results last night.
Simone

simone
05-05-2007, 13:22
Good decoding even when SNR was quite low.
Simone

carknue
14-05-2007, 06:58
Quite ok last night.

carknue
15-05-2007, 07:43
Perfect last night.

carknue
16-05-2007, 08:04
Also perfect last nigth. I wonder if they use different output power in different nights.:confused:

carknue
17-05-2007, 07:45
Just another perfect night.

carknue
18-05-2007, 09:10
Perfect last night.

carknue
19-05-2007, 08:08
Once again perfect last night.

carknue
20-05-2007, 07:22
Something was wrong last night. DRM transmission started at 1 UTC.:confused:

carknue
21-05-2007, 08:14
Everything ok this night.

carknue
22-05-2007, 09:55
A perfect night.

carknue
31-05-2007, 09:10
I think, that there was a problem in the first 15 minutes last night. Then perfect.

FritzWue
27-06-2007, 07:41
My first longwave log with the elektor IQ SDR. :)

simone
30-06-2007, 06:10
Good results until interference started at 0200.
Simone

FritzWue
01-07-2007, 05:11
Unattended log, my best result ever. :cool:
No problem with nearby 183kHz on IQ SDR without IF AGC and hi q preselector. :)

simone
01-07-2007, 06:04
Good results again last night.
Simone

FritzWue
03-07-2007, 04:42
Loop antenna was not placed correctly so not the optimum result.

andimik
03-07-2007, 11:55
The Journalline-Stream was renamed to "Nachrichten" (news), the HVXC is again "Wir über uns" (we about us)?

pb1
03-07-2007, 13:43
The Journalline-Stream was renamed to "Nachrichten" (news), the HVXC is again "Wir über uns" (we about us)?
I listened last night (around 21:45 UTC) to 855 kHZ broadcast. There, the HVXC stream was still "Nachrichten", and indeed I heard the news in loop.

FritzWue
07-07-2007, 07:46
Finally my setup with two soundcards is working, only the loop could have been placed a little better.

andimik
07-07-2007, 09:29
Oh I see. The programme names for 855 are different from 177!!

f1tay
28-07-2007, 00:21
Very good reception at Paris.
Daniel

FritzWue
29-07-2007, 06:13
Unattended log
Loop rotation was about 8° off for best attenuation of 183 kHz.

FritzWue
04-08-2007, 04:09
Unattended overnight log with the loop antenna in the right position. :)

simone
05-08-2007, 06:17
Not too bad concerning audio decoding with the antenna not in the right position.
Simone

FritzWue
24-08-2007, 06:16
A lot of noise in the atmosphere last night, not good for longwave.
Nevertheless quite a good result at 20 kbps with good audio quality.

FritzWue
24-08-2007, 07:00
Soundcheck for our Irish friends ;)
Deutschlandradio Kultur on 177 kHz longwave
Two zipped 96kbps stereo mp3 files

f1tay
26-08-2007, 01:00
Reception at Paris.
Daniel

FritzWue
16-09-2007, 05:22
Good result although the loop's position was just estimated at start and not optimized at 02:00 UTC. Good sound quality and stereo.

Sixten
23-09-2007, 00:51
Hi all.

My first DRM on LW log 27min. Very stabile signal.
:)

Digger
24-09-2007, 06:32
Stayed up late last night and eagerly waited for the DRM to start after gotten rid of most of the signal from 183 kHz by nulling it out with a selective, active ferrite antenna.

Murphy #1: The bandwidth of the ferrite antenna was too narrow :mad:
Murphy #2: Switched to my 13 m long wire antenna which is fairly effective down to 136 kHz. The DRM signal did not even light up a single lamp in Dream :confused:

After two TX breaks and no improvement I hit the sack. :eek:

Sixten
25-09-2007, 04:34
Log to night start 0058 to 0300 UTC signal was not so good her under long time .

Digger
25-09-2007, 06:32
A successful Windows scheduled event started Dream last night. (clap-clap).
Perfect reception until 183 kHz fired up.

Digger
26-09-2007, 06:09
Similar results as yesterday. No chance when France gets going :rolleyes:

Digger
28-09-2007, 07:33
Thirty minutes into the programme things improved drastically. At 02 UTC the show was over, we all know why...

Ant-SWL
29-09-2007, 07:23
Unattendend log.
Result with 15 m longwire. Very good between 0100-0200 UTC.

f1tay
30-09-2007, 07:47
Reception at Paris.
Daniel

FritzWue
14-10-2007, 04:40
Unattended log

f1tay
05-11-2007, 16:33
Reception at Paris.
Daniel

simone
14-12-2007, 07:13
Pretty good results last night.
Simone

simone
15-12-2007, 07:09
Good results again last night.
Simone

FritzWue
16-12-2007, 04:31
Unattended log, good result with the loop.

simone
16-12-2007, 16:00
Good results again last night.
Simone

simone
23-12-2007, 14:59
Quite good again last night.
Simone

Ant-SWL
25-12-2007, 09:42
Not bad until 0240 UTC. Unattanded log with longwire antenna in north/south direction.

f1tay
27-12-2007, 01:55
Reception at Paris.
Daniel

simone
12-01-2008, 10:16
Perfect results last night.
Simone

Digger
14-01-2008, 10:16
The Audio graph looks suspicious, but the CDA states 96%. The log was unattended.

Digger
15-01-2008, 06:55
An unattended log. Looks much better compared to last night's log.

FritzWue
02-02-2008, 05:02
Very good, 100% CDA :)

drmdab
12-02-2008, 16:07
The 177 kHz will be on air in DRM as follows:

Feb 14th and 15th
0800-1000 and 1030-1200 UTC
Programe: DKULTUR (www.dradio.de)
Event: "Riding on the long waves" - Transradio meeting (www.transradio.de)

Source: Mr B. Förster, Deutschlandradio

FritzWue
07-03-2008, 07:00
Again a good result:

FritzWue
08-03-2008, 07:17
Same result last night:

Digger
14-03-2008, 09:27
A perfect result for almost two hours.

simone
15-03-2008, 10:17
Good results for the first two hours.
Simone

Ant-SWL
29-03-2008, 18:27
Hi all,

unattended log from last night. Perfect decoding until 02:27 UTC.
Than fading or local interference ? I´m not sure....
0257 UTC 183 KHz started.

Digger
27-04-2008, 07:51
An unattended log. Not so good result despite a strong signal. The antenna is the 35 mm "long" active antenna.

simone
27-04-2008, 08:48
Perfect results for 2 hours last night.
Simone

simone
01-05-2008, 06:03
Great results again last night.
Simone

simone
05-05-2008, 06:18
Perfect results for 2 hours.
Simone

simone
11-05-2008, 06:09
Another perfect log for 2 hours.
Simone

simone
12-05-2008, 08:39
Same again last night.
Simone

simone
18-05-2008, 06:14
Perfect results last night.
Simone

simone
22-06-2008, 15:33
Excellent results for two hours last night.
Simone

simone
13-07-2008, 11:58
Very good results again last night.
Simone

simone
17-08-2008, 10:26
Good results as usual.
Simone

Ant-SWL
12-10-2008, 10:34
Good signal, but sometimes deep fading here. Very good audio-quality :) !

Digger
18-10-2008, 06:30
An unattended log. I lost the last hour completely with the omnidirectional antenna.

Digger
20-10-2008, 06:53
I used a ferrite antenna for this log. The log is longer than the log from the night before, but unfortunately not much better. Perhaps the bandwidth of the ferrite antenna is too narrow. The angle between 177 kHz and 183 kHz sites is 53°. The azimuth to Berlin is 30°. That means I can not get much signal into the antenna from the wanted signal. I nulled out 183 kHz, but it is still splattering into 177 kHz, which might not disturb AM much, but it seems to be a disaster for DRM. Added that the distance to DKULTUR is 3 times longer than to the 2000 kW TX on 183 kHz. :rolleyes:

Digger
21-10-2008, 06:10
I stagger tuned the ferrite antenna to make it a little bit wider, but the result during the night's unattended log was the same as the night before. I logged 97% CDA for the first hour, but nothing for the 2nd hour. :rolleyes:

Ant-SWL
09-11-2008, 10:58
Great result until 0300 UTC. 100 % Audio :) and high SNR ( 30 dB )!

FritzWue
13-11-2008, 06:20
Tune the receiver to 177 kHz, turn the loop into the right direction, and let it run overnight.
Here is the result:

simone
05-12-2008, 20:47
Perfect results for 2 hours last night.
Simone

Ant-SWL
06-12-2008, 13:27
45 Min.log with my "little rx"...
Good SNR , but sometimes fading.

Ant-SWL
21-12-2008, 11:54
The rx here is not perfect for lw-Band. Nevertheless a good 55min. result. Slow fading.

simone
21-12-2008, 17:31
Perfect results last night.
Simone

simone
23-12-2008, 18:56
... and again last night.
Simone

simone
26-12-2008, 10:38
Perfect last night.
Simone

Digger
28-12-2008, 14:14
Not bad here either...

Ant-SWL
18-01-2009, 19:17
Good result again last night.
No stable decoding after 0300 UTC here.

simone
24-01-2009, 16:18
Perfect results last night.
Simone

Ant-SWL
14-02-2009, 18:18
Typical result on indoor longwire antenne last night. 2 dips in SNR...:o
No decoding after 0300 UTC.

f1tay
22-03-2009, 02:36
Reception at Paris.
Daniel

simone
30-03-2009, 16:45
Great results last night.
Simone

drmdab
02-05-2009, 06:42
That was good!

simone
28-07-2009, 03:58
Good results again last night.
Simone

simone
01-08-2009, 06:16
Pretty good results again last night.
Simone

simone
13-08-2009, 15:56
Perfect results last night.
Simone

Ant-SWL
16-08-2009, 08:26
Stable decoding until 0200 UTC on longwire...

mitajohn
02-11-2009, 01:21
Hi all,

Very weak signal but I got the label.

mitajohn
20-02-2010, 01:33
Hi all,

Very weak signal but I got the label again.